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[kalbfellp]

HMCC are running a Proxy race for Group C cars.
This event will cater for Scratch built as well as RTR cars. Sponge tyres will be allowed and IMO are the best option.
We have 5 tracks committed to running races so far,actual race date swill be confirmed. The first race will be in Early November here in Tasmania with the other Hobart races each 2 weeks.
This is an opportunity to either see how a Slot It or similar will compete against some brass chassis's or to build some thing different.

Entries will be open to anyone BUT those who have competed in any of the HMCC WPR events will be eligible to enter two cars.

The draft rules can be found at: Group C proxy Race Rules
Here are a few examples of entries








Anyone that would like to enter Just PM or Email me.
Entries will be limited.

[first corner crash]

Thanks Phil. Could you give us some idea about the relative performance of the three cars shown. metal chassis is new to me and I am sure to a few others to. Dave Bantofts car looks like a scratchbuilt but the second one looks like a bought chassis?? If so what is it? Also would a Parma 1/32 international be competitive? Also TSRF with the pin guide would they be allowed? Had a brief look at the rules and they seem fairly simplistic to people who know what they are doing which would count me out of course. I am sure others would have some of the same questions so heres hoping.

[BMR]

The second chassis appears to be laser cut Phil , are you alowing laser cut chassis into the mix ?

Im asking because I have a chassis I designed up and Imkouwel cut 10 of them for me as a proto type , So , as Im a lazy SOB these days , I thought instead of scratching up a chassis from brass and going crazy with a file and soldering iron I could just bend one of these up and fit it under an Early Scalextric Jaguar body I have . ? Yes - no ? maybe ?

[kalbfellp]

FCC: Dave is scratch built from 1/16 brass. The second chassis is lazer cut BUT available to buy Lim can supply more info it is his car.
The Inter 1/32 holds the lap record for my track,but fitted with vac formed Lola 310 body. Sports Racer drove it here a few weeks ago and was impressed how it went. Great base for modifying for this class. You could also modify a womp.
BMR: Sorry the lazer cut chassis must be or have been available for sale. Just get him to cut 20 more and sell them./
I just wanted to avoid one off chassis like this one of Russell Sheldons,but it is nice.

[terry]

Looking forward to this Phil!

I'll need to re tyre my 2 cars and have a close look at them,best to get my finger out as I'm busy on a couple of other proxy cars at the moment,do you still intend to run a round up here?

Terry

[chenglaw]

kalbfellp, on Jun 29 2009, 11:43 AM, said:

FCC: Dave is scratch built from 1/16 brass. The second chassis is lazer cut BUT available to buy Lim can supply more info it is his car.

I bought this chassis, a MTR32 inline kit, from Milan Tomasek who produces some fabulous painted bodyshells from vac-forms plus a range of laser-cut double-sided pcb chassis - inline, sidewinder, anglewinder - available in either kit form for assembly by the buyer or ready-to-run as a rolling chassis or as a complete RTR although, mind you, his prices are not cheap. But you get what you are paying for and the RTR end product's quality is such that there is always a queue for them.

Being an impatient cheapskate, I didn't want to wait too long for my car so I bought his chassis partly built and finished the rest myself. The chassis under the Toyota was bought over 4 years ago and has been sort of lying dormant waiting for an event to come along. So when Phil announced his WPR series back in 2007, being the lazy sod that I am, I decided to put the MTR to good use instead of scratching my own. The bodyshell is one of Phil's repro's which was painted up by a fellow Malaysian slot-racing pal residing in Birmingham, UK. The car was completed and sent to Phil sometime in 2007 before he decided to postpone the event. It's been sitting in his cupboard/box(?) since, so you can appreciate why I'm always taking the opportunity to rib him and egg him on into getting the series going. With the Toyota completed so long ago, I'm not too sure if it will be competitive when the series start in November, so I may just scratch up another entry and send it to join the Toyota.

[first corner crash]

chenglaw, on Jun 29 2009, 03:06 PM, said:

kalbfellp, on Jun 29 2009, 11:43 AM, said:

FCC: Dave is scratch built from 1/16 brass. The second chassis is lazer cut BUT available to buy Lim can supply more info it is his car.

I bought this chassis, a MTR32 inline kit, from Milan Tomasek who produces some fabulous painted bodyshells from vac-forms plus a range of laser-cut double-sided pcb chassis - inline, sidewinder, anglewinder - available in either kit form for assembly by the buyer or ready-to-run as a rolling chassis or as a complete RTR although, mind you, his prices are not cheap. But you get what you are paying for and the RTR end product's quality is such that there is always a queue for them.

Being an impatient cheapskate, I didn't want to wait too long for my car so I bought his chassis partly built and finished the rest myself. The chassis under the Toyota was bought over 4 years ago and has been sort of lying dormant waiting for an event to come along. So when Phil announced his WPR series back in 2007, being the lazy sod that I am, I decided to put the MTR to good use instead of scratching my own. The bodyshell is one of Phil's repro's which was painted up by a fellow Malaysian slot-racing pal residing in Birmingham, UK. The car was completed and sent to Phil sometime in 2007 before he decided to postpone the event. It's been sitting in his cupboard/box(?) since, so you can appreciate why I'm always taking the opportunity to rib him and egg him on into getting the series going. With the Toyota completed so long ago, I'm not too sure if it will be competitive when the series start in November, so I may just scratch up another entry and send it to join the Toyota.

Thats Great I have stumbled across Milans website before and was always curious about how a chassis from PCB would work. I am guessing judging by the prices that they go pretty well? I am new to all this style of racing and am interested to have a go and see how much different ( performance wise ) this type of car is. The Russell Sheldon chassis looks like a very nice piece. It seems the fox motor type or fk130 or short can depending who you are talking to is the standard motor type for these chassis. If the fox is a bit hot for the tracks being run would the scaleauto 20k motor in the same type be a good starting point?

[BMR]

kalbfellp, on Jun 29 2009, 02:43 PM, said:

FCC: Dave is scratch built from 1/16 brass. The second chassis is lazer cut BUT available to buy Lim can supply more info it is his car.
The Inter 1/32 holds the lap record for my track,but fitted with vac formed Lola 310 body. Sports Racer drove it here a few weeks ago and was impressed how it went. Great base for modifying for this class. You could also modify a womp.
BMR: Sorry the lazer cut chassis must be or have been available for sale. Just get him to cut 20 more and sell them./
I just wanted to avoid one off chassis like this one of Russell Sheldons,but it is nice.

Sell them ! Im putting all 10 chassis under scratchbuilt 32 cars of my own. ....one day .

No problem if a International 32 is ok then I can do that Im sure I have one of those lying around gathering dust somewhere.

[chenglaw]

first corner crash, on Jun 29 2009, 02:07 PM, said:

Thats Great I have stumbled across Milans website before and was always curious about how a chassis from PCB would work. I am guessing judging by the prices that they go pretty well? I am new to all this style of racing and am interested to have a go and see how much different ( performance wise ) this type of car is. The Russell Sheldon chassis looks like a very nice piece. It seems the fox motor type or fk130 or short can depending who you are talking to is the standard motor type for these chassis. If the fox is a bit hot for the tracks being run would the scaleauto 20k motor in the same type be a good starting point?

Milan's chassis are basically designed to run on wooden tracks so should have no problems with the Oz tracks. They have a fair bit of flex built in and can be built to suit a useful range of wheelbases although they are more suited to the modern and wider GT and LMP cars. As the pcb is nickle plated, soldering the bits together is a cinch and even the slot novice should not have any problems putting it together. Instructions for assembling the chassis can be downloaded from Milan's site and although he is a Czech, his English is understandable and this coupled with pics makes life quite easy for the DIYer. I have to admit that I haven't run the chassis on a routed track before as my club runs on Scaley Sport track but tests on the slippery and bumpy Sport track have been encouraging and if it can put in decent laps on Sport tracks, it shouldn't have a problem handling smooth surface grippy routed tracks. The chassis under my Toyota is out-dated as Milan has progressed to more modern designs, so go to his website and take a look at what he's offering.
The mountings will take most Fox type motors and screw mounting is provided for. The motor in my Toyota is a Little Ripper from Patto's and has enough grunt to lug the car round at a pretty fair clip.

Edited by chenglaw, 29 June 2009 - 07:20 PM.

[kalbfellp]

To give so idea of power and lap times I ran a few cars today.
Slot It 956 25,000 Slot It P3 tyres lap times all around 6.00 did manage one 5.9. car weighs 117 grams
Mrrc Toyota GT1 weight about 105 grams 5.7's Motor is what ever came standard BUT car is fitted with sponge tryes,these are worth about 4 tenths.
Spirit Renard (version with pod) 24,000 Spirit motor,sponge tyres 5.6's. Not sure of the weight but should be around 110/115.
Brass scratch built Ferrari , fox motor 30,000 , Flexy plate chassis,sponge tyres, 5.58 best,but it is easy to drive around the 5.6's compared to the plastic cars,weight is 130 grams.
Slot it HRS chassis, with a long can 20,000 motor, weight 105 grams 5.8's. Sponge tyres.
Inter 32 Lola,vac formed body,sponge tyres, fox motor 105 grams 5.3's. The vac formed body does make a big difference,I maged to sort of fit a resin body and the lap times dropped to 5.5/5.6's.
IMO anything bigger that the Fox becomes hard to drive down here,but may have an advantage at Terry's track when we run there.
Yes Terry thanks for the offer and Lenny can you confirm the Adelaide track as yet?
The heavy brass chassis are not really any faster BUT they are easier to drive.
It will be interesting to see a Slot It Group C car with sponge tyres IMO a well balanced one should be a good race car.

[lenny broke]

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and Lenny can you confirm the Adelaide track as yet?

Hi Phil
Yep It's BMR's monster, I thought you were in contact with him .

Cheers Alan

[BMR]

Monster track ? Its not that hard to tame

Heres a couple of lap records from the blackboard in the shed as a bit of insight into the performance of a couple of cars on the track

6.830 - slot it Toyota GT1 set by FCC Motor ? tyres ? Trev can an answer here
5.889 - slightly neglected Inter 32 with a vac body sponge tyres and a Fox motor

Sorry for the lack of contact Phil . I had to check with Al to see what race it actually was again that he asked me to host .

Edited by BMR, 30 June 2009 - 12:37 PM.

[first corner crash]

Steve the car was a Slot.it Nissan, Spirit xxx motor 12/32 gears NSR treated suoergrips. I drove the Parma international 32 you speak of and there is no doubt on your bigger open track it would eat any plastic chassis car. Your car was running old spongies but maybe even more impressive was that Chris had an international 32 almost as quick if i remember on "Tuna" tyres. GT1 class is pretty much open plastic chassis in our club so the car must of been good because to set a lap record with me driving it surely had to have some "car" advantage. Hey if the Adelaide round is at your track I am definately in. I miss the big track.

[BMR]

first corner crash, on Jun 30 2009, 03:15 PM, said:

Steve the car was a Slot.it Nissan, Spirit xxx motor 12/32 gears NSR treated suoergrips. I drove the Parma international 32 you speak of and there is no doubt on your bigger open track it would eat any plastic chassis car. Your car was running old spongies but maybe even more impressive was that Chris had an international 32 almost as quick if i remember on "Tuna" tyres. GT1 class is pretty much open plastic chassis in our club so the car must of been good because to set a lap record with me driving it surely had to have some "car" advantage. Hey if the Adelaide round is at your track I am definately in. I miss the big track.

I'll take your word on that slot it time Trev - It does have Toyota written on the blackboard ? maybe someone working for Toyota changed it ? 3ofus maybe ?

[Sports Racer]

kalbfellp, on Jun 29 2009, 01:43 PM, said:

Sports Racer drove it here a few weeks ago and was impressed how it went.

I was so impressed I'm using one of these chassis in my CanAm proxy entry for next year under a Scalex Camaro body.

After a few hours on Phil's track I learned the secret to building and testing a car on my local track that will be competitive on the Tassie tracks. All I have to do is build the car so it can handle the

Simple really

Cheers

Paul

Edited by Sports Racer, 11 July 2009 - 02:49 AM.

[Sports Racer]

And yes, count me in.

Don't know what body I'll use, probably my Scalex Mercedes if it's eligible and the chassis will be a scratch built brass one.

Cheers

Paul

Edited by Sports Racer, 11 July 2009 - 02:56 AM.

[kalbfellp]

The Scalex bodies make great donor bodies as the chassis is not too good. I have a Scalex Porsche already here with an HRS chassis under it.