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[aastes]

At present we have close to 50 nominations for the GT DUPR 2009. Having contacted hosts for next year they have agreed to run split rounds for the series as running 50 cars would take too long to be enjoyable or practicable.

Of the entries nominated to date
8 have entered each DUPR since 2006

aastes
Fangio
Hmcsat
Kalbfellp
manic35
McGregor168
old slot
Sport Racer
D. dave
( I may have missed off one or two - let me know please)

Whilst the current list for 2009 has at least 18 nominating for their maiden DUPR and more are giving it some thought
Bantoft
Boss302
Bov
Buzzard
Datto16
First Corner
Gah5
Homern13
JAS
Mexico 2000
Pitlane3
SAX0607
slotcar news
Stack
Stig
Tazracer
Triggy
X19

If I've made a mistake with these names its let me know but it was done by just a quick review of past entries

Till I get back to reality (ie spend more than 12 hours at home - cant wait)
It was always the intention to run as one group but numbers dictate this may not be possible.

Have a 'nice' debate about the plus's's's's and minus's's's's for splitting the field.
Take the regs as posted
There are two possible ways to split the field.

Option A
Split the field by podded and non podded. having asked just about all nominators what they think, the field is split 50/50. So it seems logical to split the field by chassis type. However it would mean a fixed number could enter each chassis based class - say 36 maximum. Also as the racing would be taking place on diffrent days, track conditions/drivers may or may not be the same and hence lap times and totals may be effected. This means that maybe no real comparison between car types could be made

Option B
Split the field by past entrance and new entrance
Both chassis type would run together as was the original concept but it would allow for new guys to run against each other without the fear of being blasted off the track by old hands. Again there would have to be a maximum per group. The results would maybe reflect more what Proxy racing is all about ie building a car to compete with your peers

Edited by aastes, 02 September 2008 - 05:32 PM.

[oldslot]

Hi Aastes I believe dev. dave should be on your list of prev entrants

[slotcarnews]

I had entered the DUPR in 2007 I believe.

Wait, what year was the more modern GT cars run?

Edited by slotcarnews, 01 September 2008 - 09:53 AM.

[phoeno29]

perhaps start the event off at two tracks where they can run all cars entered, then split them into the top 30 and bottom 20 or 25/25. the top 30 continue on and the bottom 20 go and run in a separate series on the tracks that don't get a round of this gt series or a round of the rally proxy. An event for all of the middle of the road tracks and owners to be apart of it.

But its ahard thing to do, decide which cars should be in and which ones not.

[smallnails]

slotcarnews, on Sep 1 2008, 09:50 AM, said:

I had entered the DUPR in 2007 I believe.

Wait, what year was the more modern GT cars run?

Might have been the year before i think, the 2007 was lola t70's and 512's era

[sidecar steve]

Phoneo said

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An event for all of the middle of the road tracks and owners to be apart of it.

Care to define please?

Here is another idea for consideration.

There are likely to be way more than 30 entries, so to manage the volume of racers I propose a two "category" event.

• A "Super" series made up of the top 10 finishers from 2008 run in a 5 round series where the cars each run 24 minutes on the track. Sort of a champion of champions series.
  
• The standard series field is limited to 30 starters. All entrants (except for the top 10 from 2008 as per point 1 above) must qualify at a specific pre-series qualifying round to establish the top 30 cars. Cars that finish outside the top 30 are eliminated.
  
• The standard series is run over 10 rounds with 12 minutes track time per car.
  
• Once both series have been run, a one off super shoot out is held at the end of the series where the top 10 finishers from 2009 line up against the entire field from the "Super" series in a one race, winner takes all event.

I realise this may not appeal to those with a heightened sense of egalitarianism but middle of the road just sounds a bit mundane.

Edited by sidecar steve, 01 September 2008 - 01:07 PM.

[Davnic74]

sidecar steve, on Sep 1 2008, 10:36 AM, said:

Phoneo said

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An event for all of the middle of the road tracks and owners to be apart of it.

Care to define please?

Here is another idea for consideration.

• The top 10 finishers from 2008 run in a 5 round super series where the cars each run 24 minutes on the track.
  
• The standard series field is limited to 30 starters with a qualifying round to establish the top 30 cars. Cars that finish outside the top 30 are eliminated.
  
• The standard series is run over 10 rounds with 12 minutes track time per car.
  
• A one off super shoot out is held at the end of the series where the top 10 finishers from 2009 line up against the entire field from the Super series in a one race, winner takes all event.

I realise this may not appeal to those with a heightened sense of egalitarianism but middle of the road just sounds a bit mundane.

Option 2 sound's great...but maybe make it 50 entrie's to qualify and the top 30 stay on to race the serie's.

aastes.. my name has been missed on your list.

Edited by Davnic74, 01 September 2008 - 11:51 AM.

[sidecar steve]

Davnic74, on Sep 1 2008, 11:48 AM, said:

[Option 2 sound's great...but maybe make it 50 entrie's to qualify and the top 30 stay on to race the serie's.

Hi David.

I edited my post above just to clarify what I was proposing

[The Stig]

IMO the idea Steve has suggested will eliminate some entrants,who is going to build a car and send it off with the chance of only getting one race?

I like the idea of splitting the field either way,IF enought non podded cars are entered,which I now doubt.
So by splitting the field using the previous entrants method and possibly running on a few tracks that do not get a chance to run an event other wise is a reasonablly fare way
What does it matter if all the tracks for both races are not the same tracks?
Next year a similar method can be used but select the top 25 or 30 points scoreres from this years entrants in BOTH races to be in one race and the bottom ones in the other.
I know this is like an A and B grade classification BUT what ever is decided not all will be happy.

As my first proper entry I am happy to just be able to get a chance to run in this event.

[hoffy]

i think what Aastees is trying to show is those who have never entered before & those who have done all 3 proxies. There are a whole bunch who have entered more >=1 time or <3.

To be honest, by the time Feb or March rolls around next year, the list would have slimmed sufficiently that it wont be a problem, but then again......

OK, hows this for an idea. Those who have competed in all 3 series are an automatic start (8 runners). Those who finished in the top X (insert relevant number here. Top 5? Top 10?) are an automatic start. Lets say, we make up numbers of the 8 above & finishing positions of this year, to make a field of 15 Automatic starters. Thanks guys, your in!

For the rest, we hold a 2 or 3 round Pre-qualifying series, to be held in one state (for logistical reasons of course!!). Once the pre-qualifying series is finished, the main field is filled up by the top 21 finishing positions of this series.

For future series, continue down this path. Those who have entered each year, auto acceptance. As this drops off, bump up the top positions from the previous year, to make up 15 auto entries. The rest pre-qualify. If you miss a year & then want to re-enter the following year, back to the pre-qualifying field.

Entry costs wise, etc, those who pre-qualify pay only for this series (basically shipping to & from the host). If you make the main game, you send the balance of the entry fee. If you dont top up your entry by the time the first round is held, YOU DONT RACE & your car is sent home (& you let the next car on the list in. Give them a chance to send the entry!). If you dont make the main game, well, you have only payed for the basic shipping.

Hope this makes sense. Somewhere we need to draw the line.


Whoops, I had this open for way to long. Pretty much a version of Steves idea above!!

Edited by hoffy, 01 September 2008 - 01:40 PM.

[sidecar steve]

The Stig, on Sep 1 2008, 01:38 PM, said:

IMO the idea Steve has suggested will eliminate some entrants,who is going to build a car and send it off with the chance of only getting one race?

Thats how it happens in the real world. Following on from what Hoffy said, I've mapped my thoughts out a little more.

DUPR 2009 Series:

Who can enter?
As a way of ensuring that the size of the field is manageable, the DUPR 2009 series will be open to all comers (must be Auslot Forum members) with the exception of the builders who finished top 10 in DUPR 2008. Those builders would automatically qualify for the DUPR Masters Series as described below.


How will cars be qualified?
The final field for the series will be limited to a maximum of 30 cars.
In the event that there are more than 30 entries, a pre series qualifying round will be held where:

• all cars will be raced against the clock over a flying 20 laps.
  
• a single driver will run each car .
  
• All cars will be run on the same lane.

This will ensure that all cars are given an equal opportunity to be tested against each other car.

The fastest 30 cars will make up the field for DUPR 2009. Cars not making the top 30 will be returned and the entry fee (less cost of return postage) will be refunded.

DUPR Masters Series:

What is it?
A race series where the fast guys from 2008 compete against each other in a 5 round, longer format race series.

Who is it aimed at?
The top 10 placegetters from DUPR08 are invited to enter a car for a Super Series.

How will it run?
The Masters Series will be held over 5 rounds (one leg per state). The race format will be the same as the DUPR 2009 but each car will get 24 minutes track time per round.

Once both the Masters Series and the DUPR 09 series are completed, there would be a one race shootout with the field from the Masters Series competing against the top ten DUPR 09 finishers.

The top ten from this super shootout would make up the field for the 2010 DUPR Masters Series.

When would it be run?
The Masters Series would run independently of the DUPR 09 series, with only one event per calendar month. Scheduling would be dependant on the availability of tracks.

Why?
This is a way of allowing more cars to race than can be accommodated in a single series. It also evens up the field for the “standard” series by taking the builders of the 10 fastest cars from the previous year and challenging them to build a car that is not only competitive against the top 10 builders from 2008 but also the top 10 from 2009.

Edited by sidecar steve, 01 September 2008 - 05:18 PM.

[Davnic74]

I LIKE IT..

[hoffy]

I dont mind that one either Steve.

Another alternative that would give each car an equal chance at each round is to actually have qualifying that mean something!! So, lets say we get 50 entries. We still have the 15 Automatic entrants & the remainder must then qualify to get in the field. You dont make the field, your car gets returned to the box & tries again at the next round. The big hassle would be sending 50 cars around Aus & the hassle of the actual qualifying

[kalbfellp]

I like the format,BUT why should we still eliminate any new entrants?
If we take the top five out of the Proxy then the chances are that the final entry will only be about 30 cars anyhow. If the "masters" is run for 15 cars then the proxy field will be manageble.

Why run the masters over 5 tracks? This would make the track selection very hard to get 5 tracks that are either all similar or all very different.

I do like the idea of seperating out the top cars to give the new guys a better chance and also so they can learn more cars setup secrets!


IMO all this is really only another way very similar to what Asstes suggested in his post!

[first corner crash]

I like Phoeno's idea. To be brutally honest if my car is 33rd out of 35 i don't want the humiliation of reading about it go around for another 7 rounds. I doubt whether most would. Another consideration why i like this idea is for the track hosts the most arduous part seems to be keeping the "dog" cars on the track and trying to wring a good result out of a pig. I am entering to learn a thing or two but if my car is a pig in round 1 2 or 3 its not suddenly going to turn into a rocketship later.

[aastes]

Davnic74, on Sep 1 2008, 11:48 AM, said:

aastes.. my name has been missed on your list.

Not missing as i listed those whos names were listed in 2006, 2007, 2008 I had to hand OR those who's names appear to be new to DUPR

[sidecar steve]

kalbfellp, on Sep 1 2008, 03:52 PM, said:

I like the format,BUT why should we still eliminate any new entrants?

Didn't necessarily say we should, only IF the field (less the top 10 from 2008) excedes 30.

kalbfellp, on Sep 1 2008, 03:52 PM, said:

If we take the top five out of the Proxy then the chances are that the final entry will only be about 30 cars anyhow. If the "masters" is run for 15 cars then the proxy field will be manageble.

That may well be an eminently sensible fallback position

kalbfellp, on Sep 1 2008, 03:52 PM, said:

Why run the masters over 5 tracks? This would make the track selection very hard to get 5 tracks that are either all similar or all very different.

I thought 5 rounds with longer track time would add something different. I don't understand what you mean by track selection being hard as the "Masters" could be run on any tracks, just preferably not all in Tasmania I think the hard part is going to be getting enough tracks and people available to run the events. Of course, if there are enough tracks, the "Masters" could be over more rounds.

kalbfellp, on Sep 1 2008, 03:52 PM, said:

I do like the idea of seperating out the top cars to give the new guys a better chance and also so they can learn more cars setup secrets!

That was the general point I picked up in Aastes post.

kalbfellp, on Sep 1 2008, 03:52 PM, said:

IMO all this is really only another way very similar to what Asstes suggested in his post!

Actually it is a suggestion which picks up on the key themes in Aastes' post and puts a bit of detail around the differences.

Nothing is set in concrete and I'm just throwing this out there as a way forward.

[manimmal]

maybe we should do a pole, and then another......

[kalbfellp]

Steve that red type is almost impossible to read with this black background!!!!!

Sorry I know know it is a muddy red type!

Steve as you post is hard to read did you suggest all five masters rounds in Tasmania?

Edited by kalbfellp, 01 September 2008 - 06:29 PM.

[sidecar steve]

kalbfellp, on Sep 1 2008, 06:23 PM, said:

Steve that red type is almost impossible to read with this black background!!!!!

Sorry I know know it is a muddy red type!

Steve as you post is hard to read did you suggest all five masters rounds in Tasmania?

Jacob changed the "look" while I was posting, scared the bejezzuz outta me! I've changed back to the old skool look.....

All 5 rounds of the Masters in Tassie? Sure as long as NSR tyres and "treatements are banned