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[sidecar steve]

Howdy all.

Below are the draftrules & regs for the DUPR 2008.

There are a couple of points to be resolved.

See items

• 1.3.3 regarding close off date of manufacturer for eligible cars
  
• 2.2.1 regarding eligible chassis'
  
• 4.1.1 regarding names of the volunteer adjudicators

I also added 5mm to each dimension previously posted.

I would like to have this bit done and dusted by the weekend so if we can keep the debate constructive and to the point that'd be good.

I will make amendments to the regs on the fly so check back regularly to see what has changed. These will be in red



DOWN UNDER PROXY SPORTS SEDAN SERIES 2008

RULES AND REGULATIONS
[indent]
1 DEFINITIONS
[indent]1.1 The Down Under Proxy Series 2008 shall be an event for Sports Sedan based 1/32 scale slot cars
1.2 The series will consist of a maximum of 10 rounds (number depending on tracks available).
1.3 A Sports Sedan is defined as a two wheel drive racing car based on a 2 or 4 door volume production car that:
[indent]1.3.1 was equipped from the factory with a rear seat
1.3.2 was designed to seat a total of 5 persons minimum.
1.3.3 was manufactured prior to 31/12/90.[/indent]1.4 Entrants are encouraged to undertake some research to familiarise themselves with the 1:1 race category. Here are some links for research purposes

What is a sports sedan

NASSA Images

More Images (esp. Historic)

and more...

and more Err for this one you have to find "sports Sedans" then "Drivers and Photos"[/indent]
2 ELIGIBILITY
[indent]2.1 Body
[indent]2.1.1 Bodies shall be 1/32 scale injection moulded plastic, resin or fibreglass shells. Vac formed shells are excluded.
2.1.2 The body shall be fitted with 3 dimensional interior consisting of at least a driver (head and shoulders), steering wheel and rollcage. Vac form plastic is acceptable.
2.1.3 All cars must have a front and rear windscreen. Side windows are optional. Vac form plastic is acceptable. The window material must be transparent .
2.1.4 Bodies must be painted in a race livery.
2.1.5 All bodies must have at least 3 racing numbers.
2.1.6 Maximum overall dimensions are:
[indent]2.1.6.1 Width: 70mm at widest point including spoiler and wing.
2.1.6.2 Length: 150mm measured from extremities including spoiler and wing.[/indent][/indent][/indent]
[indent]2.2 Chassis
[indent]2.2.1 A commercially available 1/32 scale plastic RTR chassis must be used. PCS 32 chassis are deemed eligible. All Slot.it chassis’ are specifically excluded.
2.2.2 The chassis wheelbase must not exceed 90mm measured axle centre to axle centre.
2.2.3 The RTR chassis must be retained from the guide mount to the front of the rear wheel openings.
2.2.4 The original location of the guide mount must be retained.
2.2.5 Where the original chassis is four wheel drive, it must be converted to either front wheel drive or rear wheel drive
2.2.6 The front axle location may be adjusted from the original to facilitate wheel base adjustment if required.
2.2.6 Wheels must be centred in the wheel arch.
2.2.8 A minimal amount of plastic may be removed from the area between the wheels to enable the chassis to fit under the body shell where the body is not original to the chassis.
2.2.9 Aftermarket (eg Slot.it HRS) or scratch built chassis’ are prohibited.
2.2.10 A commercially available motor pod may be used to support the motor and axle assembly and may be fitted separate from the chassis. ie; Fly, Proslot or Slot.it etc.
2.2.11 A minimal amount of material may be removed from the area between the chassis ribs to allow fitment of a motor/axle cradle.
2.2.12 Traction Magnets are prohibited.
2.2.13 Minimum clearance of 1.6mm or 1/16 of an inch before racing commences at each round no metal objects should be fixed under the chassis gears shall not touch the track surface at any time.
2.2.14 Ballast material must be lead sheet. There will be no limit on Ballast weight. Ballast shall be retained within the topside of the chassis ie no ballast fitted to the bottom of the chassis.
2.2.15 No part of the chassis including guide flag shall be visible beyond the body when viewed from directly above. no chassis part should extend beyond the lowest point of the body unless an integral feature (eg chin spoiler)
2.2.16 Bracing- Plastic or printed circuit board my be used to brace chassis components. Metal material is prohibited as chassis bracing with the exception of the following:
[indent]2.2.16.1 A brass sleeve may be inserted in the guide mount hole to allow fitment of a smaller diameter guide post. The guide mount may be strengthed with a non metal material.
2.2.16.2 Additionally one brass tube may be used to improve the location of the front axle.[/indent][/indent]
2.3 Running gear (MOTOR, WHEELS, TYRES, AXLES, BUSHES AND GEARS)
[indent]2.3.1 Any commercially available motor can be used with the exclusion of rare earth magnet and “strap type” motors.
2.3.2 Tyres are open to any brand of rubber tyre. Rubber tyres include Ninco, SCX, FLY, Scalextric, Cartrix, Proslot, Slot.it P Series, Ortmanns, MJK, NSR Supergrip & Ultragrip. This is not a complete list, if you know of a tyre that is rubber based let the organisers know.
2.3.3 Silicone tyres are prohibited eg; PPR Super tyres, Slot.it S1's, Puma Paws, Indy Grips, etc.
2.3.4 Foam rubber tyres are prohibited eg; tuna type.
2.3.5 Tyres must not protrude beyond the outer edge of the wheel arch opening
2.3.6 Wheels, axles, gears, bearings, guides and braids choice are free except for:
[indent]2.3.6.1 Braid wire must be flat braided wire
2.3.6.2 Only 1 guide per car.
2.3.6.3 Ball race bearings are prohibited. [/indent][/indent][indent]2.3.7 Aftermarket wheels must be fitted with a suitable wheel centre.[/indent][/indent] [/indent]
3 SCRUTINEERING, COMPLIANCE, AND REPAIRS TO CARS
[indent]3.1 Scrutineering
[indent]3.1.1 Once a car has been scrutineered/ teched for the series its mechanical specification may not be changed, ie; no changes of motor spec. or gear ratio.
3.1.2 Minor servicing of each car may be carried out by the round host before qualifying begins. Items to be checked will be body screws, tyres, ground clearance and braids cleaned. If a fault is found during servicing the owner will be contacted for advice on what to do.
3.1.3 Any cost incurred will be paid by the entrant[/indent]
3.2 Compliance
[indent]3.2.1 If at any time through the series a car is found to not comply with the regulations, the car will be withdrawn from the series and the owner notified of the non-compliance.
3.2.2 Any car found to be non-compliant shall forfeit all accrued points to that date.
3.2.3 The owner can:
[indent]3.2.3.1 ask the organisers to make good the car and continue with the series,
3.2.3.2 have it returned to them for repairs and returned to the series or
3.2.3.3 returned and withdrawn from the series.[/indent]3.2.4 Any cost incurred will be paid by the entrant.[/indent]
3.3 Repairs
[indent]3.3.1 In the event of a mechanical failure during a race, the car shall be withdrawn and placed in a quarantine area. The owner will be notified after the race that the car shall require repairs and or replacement of the failed parts. If a repair is required to be made before the next round the owner should notify the organisers what they wish to be done to make good the repairs or return the car to the owner.
3.3.2 Any cost incurred will be paid by the entrant.[/indent][/indent]
4 MISCELLANEOUS.
[indent]4.1 Organisation
[indent]4.1.1 The co-ordinator of the 2008 Down Under proxy Series is Sidecar Steve. During the setting up and running of this series a panel consisting Sports Racer, Kalbfellp, XXXX and XXXX shall assist in adjudicating on any issue or dispute. A simple majority vote shall decide any outcome.
4.1.2 The decision of the organiser is final. There is no avenue of appeal.
4.1.3 A perpetual trophy will be awarded to the winner, to remain in their care until the commencement of the 2009 series at which time the trophy is to be returned to the organiser.[/indent][/indent]
[indent]4.2 Entries
[indent]4.2.1 There shall be an entry fee of $12.00 AUD for Australian entries. Overseas entries shall be $17.00 USD (all fees include the cost of return postage.)
4.2.2 The fee is to cover postage costs of cars from one state to the next. If any money is left over, it will be donated to the AUSLOT forums host to put towards the hosting of the forum.
4.2.3 Owner’s name must be written on chassis. Either painted or engraved, no tape
4.2.4 Entries are to be accompanied by a sheet listing specifications of:
[indent]4.2.4.1 Car body and chassis
4.2.4.2 Motor
4.2.4.3 Wheels, tyres and axles
4.2.4.4 Gear ratio (pinion and crown/spur size) [/indent]4.2.5 Cars to be received at (PM Steve for details) before the 13/03/08.
4.2.6 One entry per person.
4.2.7 Cars must conform to the DUPR 2008 rules and regulations.
4.2.8 Cars will be excluded if a full series entry fee has not been received by the organisers[/indent][/indent]
5 EXCLUSIONS
[indent]5.1 Class of car[/indent][indent][indent]5.1.1 All JGTC specific cars are excluded.[/indent][/indent][indent]5.2 Body
[indent]5.2.1 Vac formed bodies are excluded.[/indent]
5.3 Chassis
[indent]5.3.1 All aftermarket chassis’ (Slot.it HRS, Plafit, PCS32, etc…) are excluded.
5.3.2 All Slot.it RTR chassis’ are excluded[/indent]
5.4 Running gear
[indent]5.4.1 Foam rubber, silicone or silicone based tyres are excluded
5.4.2 Ball race bearings are excluded
5.4.3 Rare earth magnet and “strap type” motors are excluded[/indent][/indent]
6 GENERAL
[indent]6.1 If you have a query regarding eligibility of a particular car please contact the organisers with documentary and or photographic evidence to support your entry. If you are unsure of the eligibility of the car or compliance with the rules please check with the organisers before sending the car.
6.2 The onus is on the entrant to ensure that their car complies with the rules. Basically if it is not in the rules you can’t do it.
6.3 Do not ask the organisers to tell you where it says you can’t do something, as it is more likely that you will be asked where it says you can.[/indent]
7 DISCLAIMER
[indent]7.1 Entrants should understand that no responsibility is accepted by the organisers, hosts or participants of the Down Under Proxy Race Series 2008 for the loss and/or damage to your cars or equipment supplied either before, during or after the series is conducted.
7.2 Please have fun when preparing your car and have more when the series begins, remember that there are no sheep stations on the line here just bragging rights and a perpetual trophy.[/indent]

Edited by sidecar steve, 12 December 2007 - 11:02 PM.

[Vinno]

Just noticed there are a bunch of new Carrera cars out. The Opel Commodore looks like the perfect Sport Sedan with some TLC to get it running better than a standard Carrera.

I don't know about the 5 person seating capability but there are many different cars that may cloud the regs too. The JGTC Nissan Skylines fit the two door 5 seater rule. You may need to exclude JGTC cars as some are two door two seaters like the Honda NSX.

You've done a nice job there Steve.

[sidecar steve]

Vinno, on Dec 10 2007, 08:31 PM, said:

I don't know about the 5 person seating capability but there are many different cars that may cloud the regs too. The JGTC Nissan Skylines fit the two door 5 seater rule. You may need to exclude JGTC cars as some are two door two seaters like the Honda NSX

Yep. I had intended to exclude all JGTC cars as a class. Have amended the regs above in red, pending any objections lodged by Friday

Edited by sidecar steve, 10 December 2007 - 08:52 PM.

[Antony]

You have done a great job on the regulations Steve, thank you.

Seeing which way the poll was going I have done a bit of research and, as you had stated in the earlier post, there is a long list of particularly 1960/70s resin sedan bodies that are available for this class, many of them actually tooled to fit the PCS32 chassis which would make it easier for a ham like me to put an interesting resin body onto a plastic chassis. Does the PCS32 fall under the Slot-it aftermarket category or is there a chance this could be allowed to give us less experienced builders a bit of help in producing a different car for the series?. Looking at pictures of the PCS chassis I cannot see that it being in the Slot it performance league.

There are also a few interesting Teamslot complete unpainted kits available with resin bodies and plastic chassis that would suit the series and I assume these would be acceptable under the regulations with the supplied plastic chassis.

[imugford]

what years are going to be run?? can we make a scratchbuilt chassis ?!!?

[sidecar steve]

Hi Ian.

Scratch built chassis are excluded (see reg 2.2.8). As for year, my thoughts are we should still stick with 31/12/1990 being the close off date. I've amended the regs to show 1990 as the notional close off date pending any objections lodged by Friday.

Hi Antony.

As far as I'm concerned if it is a slot car kit and has a plastic chassis (as opposed to a resin or fibreglass chassis) and meets the regs it's in. The PCS chassis is interesting as it does come with some kits and is really not in the same league as Slot.it HRS and others of that type, so I'm calling PCS32 chassis as in unless there are any objections lodged by Friday.

I've amended the regs to allow PCS32 chassis'

Edited by sidecar steve, 10 December 2007 - 08:54 PM.

[Antony]

sidecar steve, on Dec 10 2007, 09:45 PM, said:

As far as I'm concerned if it is a slot car kit and has a plastic chassis (as opposed to a resin or fibreglass chassis) and meets the regs it's in. The PCS chassis is interesting as it does come with some kits and is really not in the same league as Slot.it HRS and others of that type, so I'm calling PCS32 chassis as in unless there are any objections lodged by Friday.

I've amended the regs to allow PCS32 chassis'

Thanks Steve I think it's a good move to allow one chassis that can be adapted to the resin bodies available. If there are no objections to it by Friday I will order one and try it out.

[kalbfellp]

Steve: The rules look good to me. Allowing RTR chassis's under resins and kits should work. The PS32 chassis is not a great chassis,but the range of Fly chassis's should cater for most resins and kits. My only reservation is the 5 seating rule.

Phil

[Sports Racer]

I like the regs. Well done! Lots of scope for some serious chassis mods for those that want to build something different.

Now where's that Trabant body? Should look pretty wild with the rear guards flared to get to the max width allowed (70mm).

Cheers

Paul

[dr vanski]

Swedans it is then. Any chance someone could post a list of eligible RTR cars? That would be most helpful since many of the photos are uncaptioned and I'm not familiar with the cars in question. Results archives of 1:1 races from the era in question would also be helpful.

Thanks!

Van

Edited by dr vanski, 11 December 2007 - 04:10 AM.

[smallnails]

I still think that fly racing models should be allowed, they aren't that quick!

[sidecar steve]

Hi Phil,

If the 5 seater rule becomes problematic, we'll deal with it them.

Hi Paul,

Trabant eh? I might have to line up a Fiat Abarth then......hey maybe DUPR 2009 can be mini cars?

Hi Dr V,

I'll post some suggestions later but pretty much anything goes as long as it is a 5 seater volume production sedan built before 1990.

Hi Brad,

Fly racing Capri's are not excluded from these new regs.

[hoffy]

Looks like its not too over the top (not what I exactly thought, but we will go for it. The tribe has spoken, so it seems)

OK, lets start suggesting some RTR models, so those who dont want to mod can go the RTR route"

FLY
Zakseed Capri (standard & racing variants)

Revell
BMW 320i

MRRC
LB Celica

I suppose, though, if people want, they could use any other unmodified sedan...

[sidecar steve]

Here is a list of currently available RTRs that was posted in another thread...


Carrera
Pontiac GTO '66, Plymouth Hemi 'Cuda '70, Chevolet Camaro SS396 '66, Plymouth Roadrunner, Plymouth Superbird, Dodge Charger 500, Dodge Charger Daytona , Ford Mustang GT 350, Ford Torino Talladega '69, Opel Commodore

Fly
Audi quattro, BMW M3, Alfa GTV, Capri , Renault 5, BMW 3.5 CL, Alfa Guila (GTA and GTAM)


GOM
Alfa Romeo Alfetta

Revell
Lotus Cortina, Mustang GT 350R, BMW 320i, VW Beetle

SCX
Renault 5 Maxi, Ford Sierra, Ford Escort RS, Lancia Delta,

Spirit
BMW 2002, Renault 5 Turbo, Peugeot 205

Team slot
Lancia Delta, Audi Quattro, Alfa Giulia (GTA and GTAM), VW Beetle, Fiat 131, Ford Capri

Scalex
Chevy Camaro, Ford Boss Mustang, Ford Gran Torino, Ford Escort Mk 1, 67 Mini Cooper,

MRRC
Celica

Pinkkar
VW Beetle

There are heaps more that are discontinued, particularly in Scalex, Just remember, 5 seater sedan, mass produced before 31/12/1990.....

[phoeno29]

What about a Lancia Beta Monte Carlo ?

[dr vanski]

SCX Audi 90?

[sidecar steve]

Audi 90 Yes, provided you can prove it is the B3 and not B4 model...

Lancia Beta Montecarlo No. The Montecarlo was a special variant of the Beta and had little in common with it. The Montecarlo was a two seater sports car from the factory so is ineligible for DUPR2008

[oldslot]

G-day Steve great work mate. just a couple of things ---I would like thecut-off date moved forward to say 2000 would give a whole lot more choices for body and I agree with Phil on the 5 seat rule perhaps 2+2 whatever I am looking to this being a super series with lots of interesting cars.
So roll on DUPCR 2008

[sidecar steve]

Yep, I'm taking the 5 seater thing under advisement. As for the date, if anyone is really struggling to source a car that fits the regs as they stand, could they PM me?

Edited by sidecar steve, 11 December 2007 - 12:59 PM.

[BMR]

If Im reading this all correctly this Mustang is Ok with some added racing numbers and wheel inserts. I may need to find a helmet for the driver as well huh ?
When is the proxy due to start ?

Edited by BMR, 11 December 2007 - 01:30 PM.