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[sidecar steve]

Voting for DUPR 2008 class has now closed.

Ok. I seemed to have royally stuffed the poll so as Smallnails suggests, do it again which means all votes cast so far can be recast.

The discussion about what classes has raged long enough so lets get this show on the road...

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Voting will close on Sunday December 9th

PS Happy to help out organising, scrutineering, etc... Also would like to donate a trophy/shieldy type thing as the DUPR Perpetual trophy and retro attach the details of the winners of 2006 and 2007.

Edited by sidecar steve, 09 December 2007 - 11:22 AM.

[kalbfellp]

I am happy to do the Fridge magnet thing again. Or something similar to stick on your slot box!

Phil

[hoffy]

How do I vote for the Socialist alliance?

[triggy]

sidecar steve, on Nov 24 2007, 01:28 PM, said:

Time to vote for the future of the nation... err no hang on thats the OTHER voting Register your vote here for the DUPR class for 2008.

PS Happy to help out organising, scrutineering, etc... Also would like to donate a trophy/shieldy type thing as the DUPR Perpetual trophy and retro attach the details of the winners of 2006 and 2007.

Good on'ya Sidecar for offering to organise and put up a tangible prize for the winner /s ( by way of a shield thingy ) to acknowledge the winners , past & present, of the DUPR.
We need more people like you to keep driving this event.

Triggy

[kalbfellp]

I assume the sports sedans will not have to be RTR and we can put any eligible body on a RTR chassis similar to last year?

This really needs to be clarified before we go too far,other wise the field will be all Celica's!

Moff Capri?


Phil

Edited by kalbfellp, 24 November 2007 - 11:12 PM.

[sidecar steve]

kalbfellp, on Nov 25 2007, 12:10 AM, said:

I assume the sports sedans will not have to be RTR and we can put any eligible body on a RTR chassis similar to last year?

This really needs to be clarified before we go too far,other wise the field will be all Celica's!

Moff Capri?


Phil

Absolutely If only I could find a Charger body to run John McCormack's Ansett Charger... Charger Vs VW

[dr vanski]

Hi guys,

I voted for a Sedan race. I think it would be fun to mix it up with you guys. If sedans or saloons (a saloon is a drinking establishment where I come from - not a car) are the choice, I'd suggest keeping the Group 5 machines out. Otherwise you'll have a grid filled with Celicas and Capris. This should be a race for taxi cabs and grocery getters!

Van

Edited by dr vanski, 25 November 2007 - 03:17 AM.

[Vinno]

dr vanski, on Nov 25 2007, 04:15 AM, said:

Hi guys,

I voted for a Sedan race. I think it would be fun to mix it up with you guys. If sedans or saloons (a saloon is a drinking establishment where I come from - not a car) are the choice, I'd suggest keeping the Group 5 machines out. Otherwise you'll have a grid filled with Celicas and Capris. This should be a race for taxi cabs and grocery getters!

Van

Personally I would prefer it open to this type of car as the proxy has come along a bit over the last couple of years and some of us will modify bodies. Here is one I did a couple of years ago that would fit the class well.

[sidecar steve]

Hi Vinno, Thats what I had in mind.

Dr V. There are a lot of taxicabs and grocery getters running in sports sedans (admittedly they look like they've been abusing steroids...) Australian Sports Sedans Assosciation

[smallnails]

One of the reasons i believe that the present rally proxy is so popular is because it is a pretty generic class, making it easy for proxy newbies to join in!

Its almost as if we need 2 classes of proxy running at the same time, one for the old hands (veteran class), and one for the newbies to proxies, similar how they run Targa Tasmania.

I personally like the idea of making it accessible to everyone that might not have body and chassis making/sculpting skills. It goes back to what i was saying in the first sentence.

Lets make it a inclusive proxy not an exclusive one.

[hoffy]

I think you both make very valid points.

What drew me to the Auslot Proxie in the firstplace was that you didn't need to be an old hand at scratch building to have an entry. But that being said, we don't want the series to become the same old same old.

Is it time to have a duel class system? I'm not sure if we get enough entries, but that being said, quite a few would enter 2 cars. Maybe have a "sports sedans" for those who want to enter one & a basic Groceries & Taxi's as well

Just some thoughts

[sidecar steve]

Hi Guys,

I think there is room in the sports sedan class for cars with little modification and cars like Gazza and Vinno have built. To me thats the beauty of the real class.

Here are some links for research purposes

What is a sports sedan

NASSA Images

More Images (esp. Historic)

and more...

and more Err for this one you have to find "sports Sedans" then "Drivers and Photos"

hope this helps.

[smallnails]

What about chassis then?

[sidecar steve]

smallnails, on Nov 25 2007, 11:49 AM, said:

What about chassis then?

The rules from DUPR07 proved pretty rock solid so....

4. CHASSIS
A. The original RTR chassis must be retained from the guide mount to the front of the rear wheel openings
The original location of the guide mount must be retained.
The front axle location may be adjusted by 3mm +&- from the original to facilitate wheel base adjustment if required. wheels must be centred in the wheel arch
A minimal amount of plastic may be removed from the area between the wheels to enable the chassis to fit under the body shell on resin F/glass cars.
Aftermarket or scratch built chassis are prohibited.
B. A commercially available motor pod may be used to support the motor and axle assembly and may be fitted separate from the chassis. ie; Fly, Proslot or Slotit etc.
A minimal amount of material may be removed from the area between the chassis ribs to allow fitment of a motor/axle cradle.
C. Resin or fiberglass bodied cars must use a chassis from an eligibile RTR car.
D. Traction Magnets are prohibited.
E. Minimum clearance of 1.6mm or 1/16 of an inch before racing commences at each round no metal objects should be fixed under the chassis gears shall not touch the track surface at any time.
F. Wheels, axles, gears, bearings, guides and braids choice is free( must be flat braided wire) Only 1 guide per car. Ball raced bearings are prohibited
G. Owner’s name must be written on chassis. Either painted or engraved, no tape
H. Ballast - Ballast material must be lead sheet. There will be No limit on Ballast weight. Ballast shall be retained within the topside of the Chassis ie no ballast fitted to the bottom of the chassis.
I. No part of the chassis including guide flag shall be visible beyond the body when viewed from directly above. no chassis part should extend beyond the lowest point of the body
K.Bracing- Plastic or printed circuit board my be used to brace chassis components. Metal material is prohibited as chassis bracing with the exception of the following:
A brass sleave may be inserted in the guide mount hole to allow fitment of a smaller diameter guide post.The guide mount may be strengthed with a non metal material.
Additionally one brass tube may be used to improve the location of the front axle.

Only change is the bit in red

Errrm, one thing. A lot of this discussion presupposes that Sports Sedans will be the class for 2008. Maybe once voting is closed and a class is decided, we can discuss clarifications and rule ammendments?

[Vinno]

smallnails, on Nov 25 2007, 11:49 AM, said:

What about chassis then?

I have a Slot.it HRS under the Alfa. That chassis has been excluded previously but I could modify the existing chassis where I to run that particular car.

Lets have a few ideas put up as there are more than just Fly Capri's and MRRC Celica's. Scalextric new Trans Am Jaguar would fit the bill nicely too as well as Fly Lancia Beta's, Alfa's, BMW M3, Various Spirit cars, Ninco's BMW M3 GTR and Renault Megane Carrera, SCX and Scalextric DTM's and the list goes on. For some of us, we will pick some old clunker in the bottom drawer and give it a make over. There has always been a degree of modification that needs to be made to a standard car to make it last in proxy and run well as a non magnet car.

Chassis has previously been an RTR chassis suitably modified to race.

[kalbfellp]

IMO I would like to see any Slot It's excluded like last year. Still plenty of scope with out them. I would not like to see a field of cars all with Slot It chassis's. I also think two class's could increase the number of enrties so that it becomes a marathon to run the event. I and sure the Adelaide guys who ran the other GPR event will agree.

Phil

[MOPARDEVIL]

My opinion is to have no slotit chassis as per what Phil says. But I think you should be able to make body mods like Gazzas & vinnos cars. There will be entrants that will do body mods like there cars & there will be entrants that dont. I think they should race together. I had a look at that sports sedan website & flicked through there photos. Some cars were heavily modified with huge flares, some just looked like they had a set of mags. I think they should be raced together.

Just a thought could the huge flared guards be maybe a hinderence in a slotcar anyway as it makes the body heavier with milliput or putty or whatever u use to flare them out.

Maybe all that bs but just me thinking out loud

Greg

[sidecar steve]

The Slot.it question can be addressed by looking at the regs. Chassis section A says "The original RTR chassis must be retained from the guide mount to the front of the rear wheel openings. Then Chassis section C says Resin or fiberglass bodied cars must use a chassis from an eligibile RTR car.

Slot.it dont make an eligible sedan so, not a problem.

HRS chassis, like Plafit etc... also don't qualify. Same as last year except Slot.it Ferrari 312's were specifically excluded.

So, for example, if you want to run a Revell Cortina, it should be on a Revell chassis.

[smallnails]

Would like it to be a level field as far as no resin bodies (sorry phil), just think that if everyone has got plastic bodies it would be a better thing.

[sidecar steve]

smallnails, on Nov 25 2007, 06:43 PM, said:

Would like it to be a level field as far as no resin bodies (sorry phil), just think that if everyone has got plastic bodies it would be a better thing.

Not sure I understand as resin shells don't provide any advantage (do they?) And people could run Ford Anglias and Hillman Imps YEAH!