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[hoffy]

Howdy all,

Well, it looks like we all had a fun series (but someone should sack the damn web master...How about an update ) Phil takes the cake, but not with out some challenges.

So, who's up for it next year? Is it too early to start discussing? Shall we revisit this thread in January?

[Sports Racer]

Who's in favour of running Sedans next year? Don't make them historic or everyone will be racing Mustangs or Camaros but from 1990 to 2000. Good range of cars to choose from.

Paul

[hoffy]

That was my idea from last year & I like it as well (not being biased). You have all the DTM's to choose from, BTCC cars from the mid 90's, V8's (put windows & drivers in of course) & possibly if you are game some rally cars as well. It could be a very diverse field!

[lenny broke]

Howdy
personally I would like to see the series run again( though not by me ). however let the dust settle on this one first before we start on next years event
February is a good time to start I reckon.
Alan

[kalbfellp]

If sedans how about a class based around Sports sedans? That way people could put flares on other sedans to make them as wide as the DTM's etc.

Only thing is it is hard to define some cars between GT and sedans.

Two other suggestions are Sports gt cars from 1972 to 1982 or group c sports cars from 1982 to 1992!

It would be nice to try and decide the class this year so that people can build over the holiday period.

I assume the chassis rules will remain similar as this seems to be working well. This years race was reasonably close.

One other thing do we start in a different state next year.

Phil

[lenny broke]

Howdy again

As we seem to be starting work again on the next event here are some of my thoughts in no particular order.

Run a poll again to decide the category of car with 4 or 5 choices and go with the simple majority.

Keep the existing technical regulations with some minor details changed to suit

a list of elligible cars. so there is no argument over what can run and what can't.

The series should start in the home state of the the series co-ordinator. that way he has control over scrutineering etc. Maybe finish there as well so the cars come back to a central point , if not perhaps not finish in Hobart this time so Phil isn't stuck with sending cars back to their owners.

Continue with the current point scoring system as it rewards individual performances in relation to the winners performance

Stipulate a standard race format/ min. distance or race duration say 12 minutes

Races all conducted on routed tracks??? or do we continue to allow other track types??

my 2 sheckels worth

Alan

Edited by lenny broke, 18 September 2007 - 01:40 PM.

[hoffy]

Lenny,

maybe we could re-name this thread to DUPRS 2007 - Series review....I think its a good idea to nut out how people enjoyed the series & how people would like to see the series change. From there, we could then make what ever changes are necessary.

OK, I enjoyed this series much more then last year. I think I put this down to a) being a bit more involved from the outset & actually having a car that was a bit more competitive. I have certainly learnt lessons from last year & have learnt even more lessons from this year (not that it will change the way I choose cars...I tend to look at things a little differently then just following the crowd).

OK, lets look at some other things

• Ten rounds - as long as we have 10 hosts who are keen to have events, I think 10 rounds was excellent.
  
• Races as compared to time trials - From our clubs perspective, everyone is keen to come & have some fun with cars that can at times be vastly different to those that they normally race. Not by choice in the end, our club hosted 2 rounds, with another round that some of our members were involved with (read track withdrawas from other states). We never had a problem getting drivers keen to do the running. I think this has also made some of our members keen to give it a shot next year
  
• "Improved production" regulations - For me, I think there is enough scratch built proxy's going around. The idea of a "take a standard slot car & try & make it better" type series really appeals to me.
  
• Keep them Rubber/urathane tyres. Definately no Silicons. Defiantely no Sponge
  
• Organisation - OK, I'm going to be a little biased here, because I did work with lenny quite closely when the first round came up, but I think the DUPRS (or the Austlot proxy) is probably one of the better ones that I have seen. Martin did a fantastic job in getting it running & keeping it running last year. Lenny did a great job running it this year

Thats about it for now. Lets hear some other comments

[hmcsat]

Why wait until 08, it could be a 07 / 08 Summer series.

As far as car class goes I am in for any but would love to see a post 2000 Le Mans Series.......basically open to any car that ran Post 2000.

I would like to see plastic tracks included as I would be interested in holding a round on my track (15m Ninco) and I beleive Manic would be on on his new 20m Carrera.

[oldslot]

My two bobs worth
would like to see the format decided by the end of the year. gives time to build .
I like the suggestion of improved prod.but a poll is good
a mixture of tracks is good. throws a bit of uncertainty into the mix.
[quote] Ten rounds - as long as we have 10 hosts who are keen to have events, I think 10 rounds was excellent.
[quote] Keep them Rubber/urathane tyres. Definitely no Silicons. Definitely no Sponge
I believe that we have a good thing going and should do all we can to continue

Viv

[kalbfellp]

My response:
10 round sound good,we can organise 4 or 5 down here just for Sports! It would be good to have at least two in most states,but I know that while we have plenty of interest down here some other states are struggling to find host tarcks. Tyres yes as is, poll to decide class yes, 12 minutes Yes, starting in Organising state YES, but maybe we should try and chage it each year using the same basic rules.
By keeping the rules very similar it makes it easier for everyone to know what is required.
If resin bodies are allowed they should be at least the same weight as a plastc body! This one is for a guy I know that makes very light bodies!
I would like the resins to be allowed again as it give a bit of variety in some class's.
Races are the way to go,as it gives all the cars a far chance.
Improved production YES. Hoffy there are not many races for true scratchbuilt car but there are very few real scratchbuilders out there anyhow.

Routed tracks I WOOD prefer If we could get enought!

Phil

[imugford]

I'll host around here again... and may even enter a car depending on the style

[manic35]

hmcsat, on Sep 18 2007, 02:06 PM, said:

Why wait until 08, it could be a 07 / 08 Summer series.

As far as car class goes I am in for any but would love to see a post 2000 Le Mans Series.......basically open to any car that ran Post 2000.

I would like to see plastic tracks included as I would be interested in holding a round on my track (15m Ninco) and I beleive Manic would be on on his new 20m Carrera.

Some great points hmcsat; Love the concept of late Lemans runners although we would probably have to run a class, ie LMP, GT, etc. just so things look okay. Would suggest post 1999 so cars like the Toyota GT-one, Mercedes CLR, Audi R8C and R8R, BMW V12, Ferrari 333 SP, can all run as well - 1999 was quite a year for the BIG manufactures. http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/Le_M...6-13-photo.html

As far as a greater inclusion of plastic track goes - ABSOLUTELY!!!! Lets make it around 50/50 wood/plastic if possible???

As far as a Summer 07/08 series goes...I REALLY wish it could happen, (maybe a reduced series for summer of approx 6 heats) but as I was not involved in this year, (and therefore have NO idea how much work is involved) I realise there maybe alot more involved than just setting up a few cars, driving them and posting them around Oz.

My 2 cents.
Cheers Manic

oh and obviously would love to host a round now I have a permanent track.

Edited by manic35, 18 September 2007 - 04:38 PM.

[BEEJAY7]

Gentlemen.

I think it is pretty well accepted that the DUPR events run to date have been some of the best organised and run series anywhere. Everyone involved should be very proud of their achievements.

Please do not rush into a new series too soon, as a hastily arranged event could go sadly wrong.

1) Why not run the Series next year, around about the same time as this years event?.

2) Appoint a Race Manager or organiser.

3) Decide how results are to be published, (Forums, special website etc).

4) Confirm number and location of tracks, (firm commitments required plus back up track in the event of a cancellation).

5) When all is sorted, conduct a poll on Auslot as to class to be run.

6) This years rules were excellent, keep them for next year!, with just changes to car type.

7) Allow "Foreign" entry's ......Please

Just a few observations from an interested participant.

Regards

Alan

Edited by BEEJAY7, 18 September 2007 - 05:17 PM.

[MOPARDEVIL]

Hi guys,

I followed the whole series this year and after the first race I was very dissappointed with myself for not entering a car. I will deffinately enter a car next year. The thing that appealed to me with this years event was it seemd with a few minor mods to your car, depending on your car you could be quite competitive in the midfield. I guess thats good for us beginners. Any type of car class would suit me, just not ford/holden v8 supercars. lol.

Keep up the good work guys.
Greg

[Sports Racer]

What about having 2 classes. One for under 2 litre cars and one for over 2 litre in whatever body type is chosen. That would let you enter 2 cars if you wanted to and track hosts could take a couple of weeks to run their rounds. Some people would only enter one class so it's not as if we're racing 50 cars next year.

Under 2 litre class have engines up to 20,000 revs and run 10mm wide tyres and a few other limitations, over 2 litre can do whatever you want.

The Canadian Proxy Race has 3 classes with different rules for each so people can enter (and be competitive) at a level they fell comfortable with. They've got 68 entries and a huge diversity of cars, from VW Beetle and NSU TT to GT40's and Chaparral 2F's. Not bad for a proxy series that runs for the very first time next year.

Just a thought

Paul

[sidecar steve]

My thoughts on DUPR:

• The rules for this years event were right on the money so I'm all for keeping that aspect pretty much as is.
  
• A single class appeals to me purely from a parity perspective.
  
• I like the idea of mixing up the tracks with some wood, some plastic.
  
• I like the themed aspect of the races so far and would like to see cars racing in a "real" context
  
• same time of year again please and have all the tracks stitched up 3 months prior to the check in date to allow for builds
  
• Maybe even have an award for best presented car to encourage some painting and modelling?

I gotta say that Sports Sedans, uniquely Australian , really appeal to me as an option for next year.

Particularly sedans built between 1965 and 1980 so you could have Mk2 Cortinas and Alfa GTVs running against Mazda RX7s and GTHO Falcons. There are lots of resin and plastic kits as well as RTRs that would qualify.

Pumped out guards, power bulges and outrageous wings..YEAH!!!

[kalbfellp]

I think two class's would be too much, and I think Hoffy and lenny will agree once they run the GPR cars, two class's and 40 cars to run! Just too much work.

Phil

[lenny broke]

Hi All
Lets keep the format we have now with a single class. All though I have entered the CPR I only have one entry. When I had a look at the rules for that event the complexity of the different classes with specs for motor limits and wheel dimensions etc. made my eyes water. KISS theory works for me personally.
I think before we start worrying about the class and finer points of the rules I think we need someone to put there hand up to be director,(he says sitting on both hands) to keep a steady hand on the tiller so to speak.
I still think we are going a bit early with this though , the fear for me being that it will loose momentum before the new year starts.
anyway I'll get out your way now
Alan

Edited by lenny broke, 19 September 2007 - 11:02 AM.

[SlotsNZ]

I wouldn't mind entering something- - if you're taking foreign entries, and happy to have a "slow moving roadblock" car at the tail of the field.

But I only race on the same basis as Scott Dixon (kiwi Indycar driver) when asked how he felt about running on a particular track where several drivers were blacking out due to high G forces.





"I'll race anything, anytime, anywhere"

[phoeno29]

The rules for the DUPR work very well and the only thing that should change from year to year is the class of car. from GT in 06 to Le Mans Classics in 07 to ??? in 08.