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[kalbfellp]

Guys here are the rules as Lenny sent them to me! Entry fees are nominal at this time as I believe there may be some money to assist inn reducing this years entry fees. Please give me some feed back how long you guys need to get some cars prepared. As I will be scrutineering the cars this year the first race will be here in Tassie.
The width rule is to try and reduce the possibility of this event becoming a one make series. The maximum body width may have to be reviewed, as I did not have all the cars to measure, BUT the rear width outside to outside of the tyre will remain at 55mm!

OZRALLY PROXY SERIES 20010-11 RULES

Series Description
This year’s Oz Rally Proxy Series will be open to cars that competed in the International Manufacturers Championship, World Rally Championship, Australian and European Rally Championship.1960 to1980. see list of eligible cars.

Entrant's cars shall comply with the following rules
The onus is on the entrant to ensure that their car complies with the rules.
There will be no allowances if you cannot make a particular model comply even if it is on the eligibility list.
Please think carefully about your choice before deciding on what to enter.

1. Body
A Body must be as original RTR. no additional material to be used to modify the body
B. The body to be fitted with a 3 dimensional interior consisting of at least a driver and co/driver ( head and shoulders), steering wheel and 2 seats Vac form plastic is acceptable.
C. All cars must have all windows, as fitted to the original 1:1 scale prototype. The window material must be transparent. Vac form plastic is acceptable. Plastic pieces glued individually to the window frame is acceptable but must be fixed securely to the body shell.
D. No resin bodies allowed.
E. maximum body width 58mm
F. Maximum Width Outside to outside of tyres is 55mm
2. Wheels & Tyres
Wheels are open to any brand but must have a wheel insert or be a one piece wheel with sufficient detail to represent the style of the period of the model.
Tyres are open to any brand of rubber or urethane tyre. Example tyres include Ninco, SCX, FLY, Scalextric, Cartrix, Proslot, Slot.It P&F Series , Ortmanns, MJK NSR supergrip & ultragrip (This is not a complete list, if you know of a tyre that is rubber based let the organizers know.).
A. Silicone tyres are prohibited eg; PPR Super tyres, Slot.it S1's, Puma Paws, Indy Grips, etc.
B. Foam rubber tyres are prohibited eg; tuna type.
C. Wheels and /or Tyres shall not protrude beyond the outer edge of the wheel arch opening

3. Chassis
A. The original RTR chassis as fitted to original body of the car must be retained.
B. Traction Magnets are prohibited.
C. No aftermarket or scratch built chassis allowed, plastic or otherwise.
D. Chassis may be braced as required with a non metal material.eg plastic or PCB sheet. Brass, aluminium, steel or any other ferrous metal and carbon fibre are not permitted.
E. No motor pod will be allowed this year unless it is an original fitting.
F. Guide flag mount may be replaced but pivot point must remain as original
G. Ground clearance- a starting clearance of 1.6mm under chassis with a minimum clearance of 1.2 mm under the chassis including the gear.
H. The entrant's name must be indelibly written on chassis. Either your forum name or your real name.
I. Body screws should be retained within the chassis in a manner to stop them falling out.
4. Weight
No limit on weight. Ballast must be firmly attached. Ballast fixed under the chassis must be completely covered with tape

5. Motors
Open motor choice

6. Other Parts
Open choice of body mount screws axles, gears, guides and braids.



7. Technical Inspection
All cars will be inspected by the series director before the first round for compliance with the rules.
The onus is on the entrant to ensure that their car complies with the rules at the tech inspection.
Should a car not comply the entrant will have the option of having it returned to rectify or withdraw. Minor non compliances can be rectified by and at the discretion of the series director.

8. Modifications Repairs & Pre-event Checks To Cars During The Series.
A. Once a car has passed a technical inspection its technical specification cannot be changed.
Specifically:
Gear ratio.
Motor spec,
Guide type,
Wheel / Tyre size and compound.
An allowance will be made before the series begins to correct a technical spec that is in breach of the rules
B. In the event of a mechanical failure, components can be replaced but must be of the same spec as originally entered..
C. Body screws will be checked, bearings lubed, tyres and braids cleaned and set before each leg of the series by the track host. Tyres will be cleaned by spinning the wheels up on a wet sponge, no solvents or oils are to be used to clean tyres.

10 Series Point Scores
The points will be awarded as follows:
1st 36 pts 7th 26 pts 13th 18 pts 19th 12 pts 25th 6 pts
2nd 33 pts 8th 25 pts 14th 17 pts 20th 11 pts 26th 5 pts
3rd 31 pts 9th 22 pts 15th 16 pts 21st 10 pts 27th 4 pts
4th 29 pts 10th 21 pts 16th 15pts 22nd 9 pts 28th 3 pts
5th 28 pts 11th 20 pts 17th 14 pts 23rd 8 pts 29th 2pts
6th 27 pts 12th 19 pts 18th 13 pts 24th 7 pts 30th 1pt


11. Conditions of Entry
A. There is an entry fee, which is $10.00 AUD for Australian entries International entries (incl NZ entries). Australian entry fee includes return postage. Overseas entries return postage to be added to entry fee and paid when event is finished. The sole purpose of the fee is to cover postage costs of cars from one state to the next. If any money is left over at the conclusion of the series, it will be donated to a charity nominated by the organizer.
B. Entries will close on 10th October (4 weeks before the first round). Entry fees will need to be paid by 10th October (4 weeks before start of first round) This is to ensure that people do not enter and then fail to send in a car, so denying others an entry spot. Entry fees are not refundable. Consideration may be given in exceptional circumstances and would be at the discression of the organiser
C. Cars will need to be with the series director by 30th October for Tech inspection and allow sufficient time to rectify any issues with entrants cars
postal address will be supplied by email with payment details
D. Contact Kalbfellp for the postal address and bank details. Pay Pal is available to entrants.
E. Entries will be limited to 30 cars One entry per person.
F. Entrants will be invited to enter in the following order to prevent a first come first served scenario and people missing out because they weren't online at the right time.
1. Those that entered last year and supported the event will have first option to enter again.
2. Australian and NZ members of Auslot who did not enter last year will be invited to enter next.
3. New International entries are welcome after that.
4. A reserve list will be used to fill vacant spots if required.



12. Misc. notes
A. When sending car please do not use a plastic "crystal case to hold you car. A small cardboard box with the car well wrapped in bubble wrap will suffice.
B. Please do not send any spare parts with car as in the past they have had a tendency to go missing.
C. All cars will receive numbers (Label paper, stickers will be attached to each car at round 1. Cars from last year will be allocated a number from last years finishing order). Entrants new to the proxy rally will be allocated numbers in sequential order upon receipt of entry.

13. Tracks and Hosting a Round
A. Tracks are to be purpose built single or dual lane rally tracks. Multi lane race tracks with integral rally circuits are acceptable, provided the track is considered 'tight and twisty' and no long straights. Under no circumstances are rounds to be conducted on race circuits.
B. Tracks are to have smooth surfaces. Elevations encouraged but extreme rough track surfaces that disadvantage some brands of car are not welcome. We are looking for a wide variety of makes and models and not a field dominated by one model only.
C. The intention is to run the rounds at no longer than at 2 week intervals. Your round should be run by the next week end after the cars have arrived at your track. Forwarding on of the box of cars should be in time to arrive at the next host in plenty of time to run the round.
D. Each days driving should be reported back to the forum when completed.
E. An official score sheet should be completed and forwarded via e-mail to the director at the conclusion of your round. A template will be forward to you by the director before the commencement of your round.
F. The postal addresses of next round host and reimbursement for postage costs will be forwarded to hosts by the series director at the conclusion of your round if required.
G. Track owners are to run cars against the clock for a minimum of 8 minutes per round. You can break this up into as many stages as you like, for example, stage 1 on a Friday night, stages 2 and 3 on Saturday night and stage 4 on Sunday afternoon. An additional driver (co driver) may be used to assist in driving at least one stage but must complete a full cycle of cars through that stage. Stages can vary in length and direction, just as long as the total time for the fastest cars is approximately 8 mins.
If you are unsure how many laps to run to total 8 minutes of driving?
Work out the best lap time you expect from a car in this field. Say 6.00 secs. How many laps will the fastest cars have to do be on track for 8 mins? 8 mins is 480 seconds so 80 laps total is a fair guess.

14. DISCALIMER
Entrants should understand that no responsibility is accepted by the organisers, hosts or participants of the OzRally Proxy Series 2009/10 for the loss and/or damage to your cars or parts/equipment supplied either before, during or after the series is conducted.

OzRally Proxy Series 2009/10 Eligibility List
The list of cars is not complete. Additional models maybe submitted to the organisers for consideration. The model must comply with the requirements as set out in the Series Description. Submissions should be supported by both documentary and pictorial evidence of a model’s suitability for acceptance in the series.
After consideration the series director’s decision on a model’s acceptance to the list, shall be final and not open to appeal.



1960 – 1980

Alfa Romeo GTV Fly 54mm
Alfa Romeo Giulia sprint GTA Team Slot (plastic) 54 mm
Alfa Romeo Giulia sprint GTAm Auto Art (did it ever rally) 54mm
Austin Healey 3000- Hardtop Ninco 52mm
BMW 2002 Spirit 53mm
Citroen DS21 SCX 56mm and widest
Citroen 2cv Pink Kar 47 mm
Datsun 240z – Scalex 54mm
Fiat 850 SCX 45mm
Fiat 124 Spyder SCX 54mm
Ford Cortina GT Scalex Revell 49mm
Ford Escort MK 1 Scalex 53.5mm
Ford Escort Mk2 SCX 53mm
Holden Torana L34 - Scalextric 56mm
Lancia Stratos Team Slot (plastic) SCX 56mm
Lancai Fulvia HF – Auto Art 48mm
Mercedes 220 & 300 SE Revell 57mm
Morris Mini Cooper Scalex old/new SCX 44/54mm
Opel GT Power Slot 53mm
Porsche 911s Fly 58mm Check Your car as some models are wider.
Porsche Carrera RS SCX 56 mm
Porsche 356 Coupe Ninco 54mm
Porsche 904 – MRRC-Revell Monogram 46.7mm
Renault Alpine A110 SCX 48mm
Renault Alpine A110 Teamslot (plastic) 56mm
Renault 8ts SCX 45.6mm
Talbot Sunbeam Lotus SCX 52mm
Triumph TR-7/8 Scalex 58mm
VW Beetle Pink Kar 50mm
VW Golf Spirit


Entry fee is payable via paypal to: kalbfellp@netspace.net.au

Anyone not having Paypal please PM for bank details.

Cars need to be mailed to be here in Tasmania by the 30th October.

Mail to:
P.Kalbfell
2 Shelmore Drive
Old Beach
Tasmania 7 0 1 7
Australia

Edited by kalbfellp, 29 October 2010 - 11:22 AM.

[first corner crash]

I think the team slot lancia stratos is way over 55mm wide. I could be wrong but would hate to see someone build one up only to find it is over width.

[kalbfellp]

Several of the cars on the list are over 55mm wide, judging from what I have measured.
I would be willing to look at any cars marginally over 55mm BODY width IF the width outside to outside the wheels is still 55mm.
I hope to try and get some more cars to measure during next week.

[smallnails]

Yeah its over 60mm the stratos is, measured it tonight.

the 911 is over in both the fly and ninco.

the alfa gtv is over also.

Will look at more tommorow too, just trying to stop people wasting money on cars that arent going to fit the rules. So if you have a car that fits the rules.....be a champ and measure it up to let us all know!

[kalbfellp]

Thanks for that,anyone else have cars on the list to measure? That way we can remove them to assist everyone.

[gazza]

SCX Escort Mk 2 ................ 53 mm
SCX Lancia Stratos ............. 56 mm
SCX Renault Alpine 110 ...... 48 mm
SCX Porsche Carrera RS .... 56 mm
Revell Cortina .................... 49 mm
Revell Mercedes ................. 57 mm
Fly Porsche 911 .................. 63 mm
Ninco Austin Healey ............ 52 mm
Scalextric L 34 Torana ........ 56 mm
Scalextric Mini .. new 44 mm / old 54 mm

[Ontheflipside]

Fiat 131 Abarth SCX 60mm

Looks like my 1st choice is out?


My local servo has some 1/38 scale cars, might have to see if I can put some running gear under one.

Edited by Ontheflipside, 15 August 2010 - 06:08 PM.

[brk12345]

Scaley Ford Escort Mk1 53.5 mm
Scaley Datsun S30, 240/260z 54.5 mm brk12345

[smallnails]

Scaley Ford Escort Mk1 53.5 mm
Scaley Datsun S30, 240/260z 54.5 mm
Ninco Austin Healey ............ 52 mm
SCX Escort Mk 2 ................ 53 mm
SCX Renault Alpine 110 ...... 48 mm
Revell Cortina .................... 49 mm
Scalextric Mini .. new 44 mm / old 54 mm


Thats the cars that fit so far to choose from if looking at your collection or if you need to purchase one.

[munter]

Looks like the old SCX Fiat 124 Abarth will have to visit the shop for a refit.
Glad it qualifies this year.....guess I'll have to get rid of the Fly Porche 911 racing that I got as a possible for this event.
The feed back from last year on the Fiat was that the motor was a light switch and the car was tippy????
Dunno what I'll do but maybe sort it some how.

It came back from last years events with only some of the lights working....the auto electrician says to disconnect them.
Do they have to be working to meet the rules?
The gears are rooted too.

regards

[kalbfellp]

Thanks for measuring the guys guys,great help.
This does raise the question IF we should allow those cars that are only about a mm over width IF the width across the rear wheels is 55mm?

What do you guys think. It would allow a couple of interesting cars to run.

Edited by kalbfellp, 15 August 2010 - 10:38 PM.

[brk12345]

Phil, have no problem with 55mm track but am a firm believer that rubbery rules are always stretched. brk

[356speedster]

I'll add some more body meassurements:

Alfa Romeo Alfetta GTV GOM = 59 mm
BMW 2002 Spirit = 53 mm
Fly Rally/Racing Porsche 911 = 63 mm
Fly Porsche 911 S/R/RS = 58 mm
SCX Porsche 911 SC = 56 mm

A few other rally cars from the era not listed:
Citroen DS SCX = 56 mm (behind front wheels)
Citroen 2CV PinkKar = 47 mm
Opel GT Powerslot = 53 mm
Fiat 600/1000 abarth SCX = 50 mm
Fiat 850 Abarth SCX
Seat 1430 SCX
VW Beetle PinkKar = 50 mm

I think a track width limit (outer edge to outer edge of tires) is the way to go, that allow most of the cars on the original list. If you look at old rally car pictures many of the 1:1 cars had wide flares but the wheels where tucked in several cm inside the fenders, especially when running on narrow snow or mud/gravel tires. The big flares was there to allow the option to run on wider tarmac tires on asphalt stages.

Edited by 356speedster, 16 August 2010 - 12:20 AM.

[Devious Dave]

OK guys, you've got the width sorted and picked your weapon, now make sure you can get the ground clearance right, and good luck with some of 'em. Dave

[Antony]

I would love to run again this year, am thinking of just rehashing my Healey from last year with a new improved slower motor and some judicious rebalancing, however I might be tempted to go with a Cortina as I have one. On the width issue why not just make it 60mm, that excludes the Fly Porsches but allows some other interesting cars into the series and variety, as they say, is the spice of life.

[kalbfellp]

I am measuring a lot of the cars at present, looking at retaining the 55mm across the rear wheels BUT allowing 58mm on the body width that would allow 1.5mm of body past the tyre on each side,so the cars should still look good.

The biggest problem is as Dave mentioned is trying to get 1.6mm ground clearance under most of the cars listed. I will do some trimming an one of my SCX chassis and see how I go.

More very soon.

[manimmal]

A public question on a chassis modification I'm considering.

The rules clearly state no scratch built chassis, happy with that. The wheel/car combination I'm thinking about would necessitate moving the bushes inboard, which of course means either some scratch building mods, or a bodge job with some glue. I would consider this a chassis modification and not a scratch build, and thus legal providing the wheelbase is unchanged.

would the scrutineers agree or should i go back to the drawing board?? (with my previous popularity in rule interpretation i'd rather avoid another debacle)

thanks,
chris

[smallnails]

Chassis
A. The original RTR chassis as fitted to original body of the car must be retained.



I would have thought that if the chassis that came with that body needed that big a mod then its prolly not the original chassis.

[Mohawkk]

I think what Manimmal is trying to do is to make a currently illegal car legal by moving the wheels in to 55mm? Is this right Manimmal or have i got it wrong?
Because thats what i was thinking of doing so i would like to know as well! LOL

[smallnails]

yeah that makes sense.

Is the field going to be restricted this year Phil? As in the number of cars entered?

Also a side note, if your car didn't get any good reviews last year at all after the races, please dont tinker with it "a little bit" and send it back in. Just get another car to enter, or if you are going to tinker do some major changes!!! Some of the cars were that painful to drive it wasn't funny. Some cars just arent suited to tight twisty tracks, which rally is generally about. Have a look at what reviews your car did get last year for tuning advice and go from there.