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[lenny broke]

Hi All
Due to ongoing personal reasons Slots has informed me that he will no longer be able to Host Round 6 of the OzRally proxy series.
Yngwie has kindly offered to now host the Round on the rally track previous owned by Ontheflipside (Mel)

We will need some time to organise thing so the round can take place so I will ask everyone to be patient while this is taking place.

Thanks to Yngwie for taking on the round at short notice and also to Stu for originally offering to host the round , I hope thing are on the up for you soon Stu.

Regards Alan

Edited by lenny broke, 30 January 2010 - 01:20 PM.

[lenny broke]

Hi All
I've just had word from Silver Rocket that the WA round of the series at Perth Hills will not be taking place.
At this stage I won't be looking for a replacement round so the series will revert to 9 rounds ending at my track Norton Hills.
The date of my round is yet to be confirmed due to my own commitments to 1;1 scale motor racing events.

Regards Alan

Edited by lenny broke, 25 February 2010 - 04:54 PM.

[silver rocket]

Hey lenny check ur emails but I think I'll give my round a miss... I can't say the red carpet has exactly been rolled out for WA to host a round, it's been a dogfight the whole way & the amount of negative feedback has finally turned me off.

Plus I have to say the lack of help for rookies in the series has also turned me off somewhat. I think Torre has shown what can be achieved running a round when it comes to car feedback, setup help, coverage etc There is clearly something wrong with my car & yet after quite a few rounds running dead last by a country mile not one person has offered to maybe have a look at it or help make it better, its just like "na mate ur cars s#!t" & that’s it.....

So yeah I'm pretty much over it...

Thanks anyway...

[Ontheflipside]

silver rocket, on Feb 25 2010, 05:56 PM, said:

... I can't say the red carpet has exactly been rolled out for WA to host a round...

I know how you feel. I fly to WA quite a lot to work and I feel like a leper when I'm there. Many "Sand Gropers" seem to hate us people from the East. offering help

silver rocket, on Feb 25 2010, 05:56 PM, said:

There is clearly something wrong with my car & yet after quite a few rounds running dead last by a country mile not one person has offered to maybe have a look at it or help make it better, its just like "na mate ur cars s#!t" & that’s it..... ...

What was this????

silver rocket, on Feb 25 2010, 05:56 PM, said:

its just like "na mate ur cars s#!t" & that’s it.....

It is hard to push s#!t" up hill

To run a round there needs to be a lot of commitment and time needed. I for one did not and possibly never will have time to pull half the cars apart to see what can be done to improve them.
Did you think to message me after my comment to see if I or the next host could help following my comment - not a word.

I hope you are over it matey, there is a good life to be had!

[teamredracing]

Hey Silver ,I must say what a poor attitude you've taken for your round of the proxy. I nearly was ready to post the crying towel over to you. This rally is about having your car travel with other cars,around Australia and seeing how it performs on other tracks. If it does'nt so be it ,you learn from the feed back on what to do next time. Remember that the car you set up is the car that has to last the hole proxy series and it's not going to work on every bodies track . If I had your attitude I'd never had sent cars to different proxy's (SCX Rally Proxy and the Oz Rally Proxys I've been in as well). I think and some one can put there five cents worth in here that when the each years proxy's were finished there were always coments about what each others set up should have been, motor wise or tyre choice.

If your car has to be fixed every time it reaches a new track , it defeats the purpose of you setting it up. If your not happy with your set up you should have pulled it before now and but still run your round .If your car had been fixed to a stage where it had been running last then running up the pointy end of the field , I for one would be putting in a sincere whinge.

As for pulling your track theres another let down as I for one was hoping that my Porcshe was going to perform at least one track out of the lot. Guess I have to hope for the best at the last remaining tracks, or as it's not performing to my expectations I should just do you and pull it. Remember this is a fun thing and is not run for Sheep Stations . My car isn't performing as well as I hoped, even at my track, so I'll learn again and hope for the best next time. Run your stage and have fun ,don't pull the plug just for a few comments. Don't forget you did put your hand up to host a stage.
I'm hoping you'll give it a run and don't throw in the towell. Sorry bloke if its a bit harsh but lets not let down the guys who are in this , as well as the guy who is putting it on.
Cheers Craig

[oldslot]

teamredracing, on Feb 25 2010, 07:01 PM, said:

Hey Silver ,I must say what a poor attitude you've taken for your round of the proxy. I nearly was ready to post the crying towel over to you. This rally is about having your car travel with other cars,around Australia and seeing how it performs on other tracks. If it does'nt so be it ,you learn from the feed back on what to do next time. Remember that the car you set up is the car that has to last the hole proxy series and it's not going to work on every bodies track . If I had your attitude I'd never had sent cars to different proxy's (SCX Rally Proxy and the Oz Rally Proxys I've been in as well). I think and some one can put there five cents worth in here that when the each years proxy's were finished there were always coments about what each others set up should have been, motor wise or tyre choice.

If your car has to be fixed every time it reaches a new track , it defeats the purpose of you setting it up. If your not happy with your set up you should have pulled it before now and but still run your round .If your car had been fixed to a stage where it had been running last then running up the pointy end of the field , I for one would be putting in a sincere whinge.

As for pulling your track theres another let down as I for one was hoping that my Porcshe was going to perform at least one track out of the lot. Guess I have to hope for the best at the last remaining tracks, or as it's not performing to my expectations I should just do you and pull it. Remember this is a fun thing and is not run for Sheep Stations . My car isn't performing as well as I hoped, even at my track, so I'll learn again and hope for the best next time. Run your stage and have fun ,don't pull the plug just for a few comments. Don't forget you did put your hand up to host a stage.
I'm hoping you'll give it a run and don't throw in the towell. Sorry bloke if its a bit harsh but lets not let down the guys who are in this , as well as the guy who is putting it on.
Cheers Craig

I think that sum's it up pretty well curly

[triggy]

Yep...well said Craig!

[kalbfellp]

When you enter a proxy race you should read the rules and see that once a car has been scrutineered it is not allowed to be altered only repairs can then be done. If you had done a little research on the forum about set up you would have had a lot better handling car.
It took us about 9 hours in total to run 3 stages last week, so no one has a lot of time to addust everyones car.

You car arrived here with the interior loose in it allowing the chassis to float up and down, this was fixed before the first stage.
If you had run your round you would have been able to look at all the cars first hand and that is worth a lot in learning how to set up cars.


More importantly the cars were handed over to Smallnails today to transport north to Tazracer for his round.

Edited by kalbfellp, 26 February 2010 - 12:13 AM.

[smallnails]

Run your round Silver,

THe chance to look at how everyones cars are setup is more valuable then doing well in the proxy in my opinion.

Hope it was just the heat getting to ya and ya still can do the round!

[Ben_M]

Hey Silver,
Sorry to hear you feel this way. I can understand it would be pretty frustrating to have your car finish last at every event so we can forgive you for pulling your car. In saying that I think it would be great for the series if you could still run your round. You say you havn't had much support, well heres mine, go for it! As someone said above, by being a host you get to check out all the other cars which would be pretty handy. Im also a bit like Redracer and was hoping that maybe your round could have been a good round for my car. I was also interested to see how it went on a plastic track.

Would love to see the cars take the trip to WA and im sure we all wont mind if you change your mind again and run your round.

[Yngwie]

Ontheflipside, on Feb 25 2010, 06:51 PM, said:

silver rocket, on Feb 25 2010, 05:56 PM, said:

... I can't say the red carpet has exactly been rolled out for WA to host a round...

I know how you feel. I fly to WA quite a lot to work and I feel like a leper when I'm there. Many "Sand Gropers" seem to hate us people from the East. offering help

silver rocket, on Feb 25 2010, 05:56 PM, said:

There is clearly something wrong with my car & yet after quite a few rounds running dead last by a country mile not one person has offered to maybe have a look at it or help make it better, its just like "na mate ur cars s#!t" & that’s it..... ...

What was this????

silver rocket, on Feb 25 2010, 05:56 PM, said:

its just like "na mate ur cars s#!t" & that’s it.....

It is hard to push s#!t" up hill

To run a round there needs to be a lot of commitment and time needed. I for one did not and possibly never will have time to pull half the cars apart to see what can be done to improve them.
Did you think to message me after my comment to see if I or the next host could help following my comment - not a word.

I hope you are over it matey, there is a good life to be had!

I understand your frustration with how your car is performing Silver. Mine is not much better and could NOT even manage to complete my round. However, the best lesson I learned was watching what others have done. I opened up quite a few of the cars to give them a clean and noticed how they were set up. Certain cars are just born to win with what seems like very little work done to them. Others were well designed but did not function well on the uphill / downhills. Others didnt like the constant twisting required by our rally tracks. Many had weight problems (too little or to much) whilst others just had problems getting around the track!
Silver, your car, much like many others (and mine as well) on Mel's old track would not make a lap without being "hover" marshalled. This you should put down to experience. Next time you will be armed with more information on how to set these things up. I know I have learned a lot from the experience and to be able to observe how guys like Phil Kalfbell, Devious Dave, Triggy, Hoffy, Gazza, Davnic, Smallnails to name a few is eye opening. (Most of these setups are similar but many others are very unique)
I know this has been said before but you really should finish the round off for the sake of the others, BUT more so for your own sake. You will learn so much more from running the round and hopefully, like me, you will greatly appreciate this form of slot racing.

Regards

John

[munter]

Maybe someone could publish a "typical" rally car spec that would generally perform well on Ozrally tracks.
I'm sure that just because the body looks like a rally car the internals may not be anything like the optimum.
regards

[gazza]

Easiest example is anything Ninco with a NC-1 in it a set of MJK's to suit and about 10grms weight

All been explained and discussed over many different threads ...... some people just can't be bothered reading them

[lenny broke]

silver rocket, on Feb 25 2010, 04:26 PM, said:

Hey lenny check ur emails but I think I'll give my round a miss... I can't say the red carpet has exactly been rolled out for WA to host a round, it's been a dogfight the whole way & the amount of negative feedback has finally turned me off.

Plus I have to say the lack of help for rookies in the series has also turned me off somewhat. I think Torre has shown what can be achieved running a round when it comes to car feedback, setup help, coverage etc There is clearly something wrong with my car & yet after quite a few rounds running dead last by a country mile not one person has offered to maybe have a look at it or help make it better, its just like "na mate ur cars s#!t" & that’s it.....

So yeah I'm pretty much over it...

Thanks anyway...

All wish I to say in response to the above is Thanks for offering to host a round, it's unfortunate that you chose to withdraw from the series. I don't know what you may have expected from me but I believe I constantly offered advice and kept you informed of what was expected from a series host. To be honest the main reason you were accepted as a host originally was because you were in WA.
Because you decided to go about things in your own way and then didn't get the feedback you wanted does not make it negative, perhaps you just got it wrong!
As to the standard of this series that is only your opinion and you are entitled to it. I hope other series you enter meet your expectations.
As to your car I think your choice of model was the main problem. a narrow car with a high centre of gravity like the R5 was never going to be competitive no matter what anyone else did to it

Good times to you in the future
Alan

Edited by lenny broke, 26 February 2010 - 02:00 PM.

[356speedster]

Thanks for the round and feedback. My "old dog" seems to have been dropping a bit in performance lately, but I suspect it's more the nature of the tracks, unless my experimental tires are starting to wear out badly?

It's still clinging to the spots just below 10th place in the overall scoreboard, which is surprisingly close to what I hoped for before the series started

Silver Rocket, proxy series can be a rough ride, both for entrants and perhaps even more for hosts and organizers, dropping an event from a series affects a lot more than one might first think. First It affects the outcome of the whole series and might even block some cars from gaining a crucial position, but maybe even more important it also affect the credibility of the series and even the organizer, even though it's not much he can do about other than take the "blame" for choosing the wrong tracks. It's important to remember that even if some of us raise our hands in the air and try to make something for others to participate in, we are not professionals at this, we learn as we go and if we get "constructive feedback" we have an opportunity to fix that in the next season, but we can't change or bend the rules in the middle of a series, that is not fair.

Hosting a proxy round, and especially a rally with several stages is a heck of a lot of work, there is no question of that, but it's also very rewarding, it's something you will not forget for a long long time. As others already have expressed, the ability to drive and take a closer look at the really good cars is a rare opportunity you should not miss. That is the privilege of being a host. I will ask you to please reconsider and host your event, I'm sure you will enjoy it and learn a lot from it.

Tore Andre

[lenny broke]

Just to let you all know I've taken the decision to accept Silver Rocket's withdrawl from the series.
At the moment I have had an offer for a replacement round that we are considering I'll let you all know once we have made a decision
Thanks

Alan

[teamredracing]

Alan , very diplomatic . But we should let Silver the right of reply before exiting his round .TMO if every body is ok with that. Hopefully Silver you are reading this and will reply ASAP. Manimal ,to quote Pauline Hansen ,Please Explain!!!!

[lenny broke]

teamredracing, on Feb 26 2010, 02:34 PM, said:

Alan , very diplomatic . But we should let Silver the right of reply before exiting his round .TMO if every body is ok with that. Hopefully Silver you are reading this and will reply ASAP. Manimal ,to quote Pauline Hansen ,Please Explain!!!!

Hi Craig
He made the decision to withdraw. I didn't drop him , I just accepted his decision.
I have someone else who wants to have a go at a round. I'd rather hand it on someone who is keen to do so.
Thanks Alan

Edited by lenny broke, 26 February 2010 - 03:18 PM.
crap typing again

[brk12345]

Rather have someone keen to run the round than someone that is "over it" I to made a mistake with my entry and have to suffer the indignity of being flogged by little bro and two of my grandkids, wont make the same mistake next year. BRK

[gazza]