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[SlotsNZ]

NZ CANAM PROXY RACE 2010
The thread is now live. I livened it up early as everything was ready, and I will be away in Australia on 1st October, which was the original date intended for publishing of the information. My thanks to KalbfellP, ESPSIX and kennedy-rd for assistance in vetting and "tuning" the rules, and many others who are mentioned in the introduction.
The class - obviously - is CanAm - in the period of "true" CanAm racing 1966 - 1974 - Permissible entries are those cars which entered for races as per the schedule on this website. http://www.racingspo...hip/Can-Am.html

NOTE: The rules document advises when entries open, and the order in which they will be accepted.

First 4 posts are:

1) Class, concept, rules, entry form, hosting information
2) List of host tracks with pictures and summary details for entrant's reference while building entries
3) Roster of accepted entries, and quota by chassis and car body type
4) Notes and explanations, FAQ

That should ensure that all the key information will remain in a static spot at the head of the thread area. The host tracks thread and entry list (upon opening) will be periodically updated, as will the FAQ post No.4

The NZPR 2010 is a race for cars which competed in the CanAm series up to 1974. It is a little different to the 2009 proxy in several ways
Firstly, there is much more scope for car BUILDING, not just car TUNING. This reflelcts the spirit of the original motor racing which was pretty much no-holds-barred, with CanAm cars being faster than Formula 1 cars on some tracks!
Secondly, there are quotas limiting how may cars of a body type and of any given chassis type can be entered. This is to encourage diversity and innovation.


The RULES documents includes host information. The hosting document is provided separately just for folks convenience.
RULES Document WORD 97 - 2003 format - - - - RULES Document PDF format

Hosting Document WORD 97 - 2003 format

[SlotsNZ]

Host Tracks

Round 1 - Oakland Raceway
Lanes: 3
Length: 18.5 metres (61 feet)
Power: 25 amp variable supply - at 12 volts for the NZPR
Surface: acryclic semi-gloss floor clear over acrylic paint
Contacts: tinned copper braid
Running direction: anti-clockwise [ignore that the cars shown in the track shots as being clockwise, it was just "staging"]
Will be run dry, clean, no rubber build up
MJK shod GT cars typically around 6.0 - 6.2 seconds








Round 2 - Munter Raceway (until he gives it another name....)







Round 3 - Orakei Raceway
Lanes: 4
Length: 50ft
Power: Regulated power supply up to 40 amps continuous output. We run at 13v
Surface: is straight gloss enamel paint over hardboard.
Contacts: Copper tape.
Type: wood routed track with equal radius corners (we weren't told to make them progressive until we finished routing) set up on 3 tables in a modular format ie we can vary the track layout by re-arranging the tables or increasing the size by adding a additional table section.
Main straight is approx 10.5 ft long
Running Direction: Clockwise
Average lap on rubber is about 5.5
Track surface is still pretty pristine. We cover the track when not used.
In terms of what rubber tyres work on it- Ortmanns, MJKs, even std scaley tyres and std fly rubber works but have found Ninco std and Procar tyres take a very long time to get up to decent optimum traction ie 100 laps plus . Haven't tried P3s or P6s on it, will test over Christmas.
Slot width is 2.6mm wide and depth is 4.67mm ie; won't take Slot.it wood guides and the slot.it after market grey and black screw held guides are a bit fat. Ninco pro-guides are fine as are the std guides that come with slot.it cars.
Lane width slightly wider than std Scalextric (about 82.5mm)
Timing: Lap timer software is Laptimer 2000 ver 6.0 for XP











Round 4 - Sockburn (CMRC Club Track) - Christchurch

Round 5 - Mac's Track Hawkes Bay

Round 6 - Mike's Track TBC

Round 7 - NPSR track
Lanes: 4
Length: approx 71 to 77 feet
Surface: 2 pack epoxy high gloss
Contacts: magnabraid (marginally recessed)
Power supply: a few hundred amps at 13.8 volts.
Running direction: anti-clockwise
Will be run "dry" having had the goo from metal chassis cars removed with solvent, and will be dust free







Round 4 will be at CMRC track in Christchurch 80 feet, 4 lane, chalkboard type surface (may be repainted and a little green at that time)





Round 5 at Mac's Track Hawkes Bay 4 lane, 92 feet, hi-gloss Enamel, new surface





Round 6 Mike's Track - Hawkes Bay - ~ 75 feet 3 lane flat acrylic, rubbered up

[SlotsNZ]

ENTRY LIST



1st quota to fill is the HRS chassis quota, now full at 4 entries
Slot.it Alfa T33 quota is now full

[SlotsNZ]

Notes, Explanations, Clarifications and FAQ

- will be edited and updated as anything arises that I feel has content of general interest, and thus belongs at the beginning of the proxy thread

A note of clarification, ENTRY NUMBER is merely a way of me keeping track of people's entries, your CAR will carry the numbers of the actual car that raced.

OKAY, screw-up No.1 It has been pointed out to me that some CanAm cars, which are intended to be legal, exceed the 63mm body width limit I set.
Case in point, the HSRR McLaren. I was aslo told the FLY LOla T70 MkIII and FLY Porsche 917 exceed the limit. I measured my T70, it was 62.5 on my vernier. but I only have a 917K (which is 62.2mm), so if anyone is able to check a 917/10, and/or can check any resin bodies for width, this is one thing which can simply be adjusted now to a more suitable number. - WE HAVE SET 65mm for Body width, and ADDED a maximum track width of 63mm to the rules.
What I wanted to achieve with that rule was to exclude any cars of 1/28th or 1/30th scale - "simply" ----- yes, yes, I am simple - but i meant the rule.
FLY CLASSICS CHASSIS with 5 screw mount and detachable motor section. If the motor section is left floating, they are considered a "podded" entry under the quotas, but if glued solid in place, are considered "non-podded"

One question which came up yesterday was

"Getting close to putting in my entry.
Question- the entry form is requesting quite specific data on the cars I'll enter eg weight, motor choice,gearing,tyres.
This is tricky as I haven't finalised the mods I will do on the appropriate car as I'm not sure if I will make the quota on a particular car combo.
Can I specify this detail later once I know which car is accepted for the race or do you need all this detail up front?"
And my response.
For the entries next week, I just require car type, model, and whether it is podded or non-podded so that I can apply that data to the car quotas.
Other data like race livery, weight and technical details can just come later when the entry form copies are forwarded with the cars.
Also, knowing your intended entry, and those of many of the other early entrants, we have a realy nice wide spread, of cars, liveries etc, and no issues with filling any quotas that I know of - just perfect for a technically, historically and visually interesting field.

[pitlane3]

Someone has to be first,
I am in,
will get some parts this weekend.
Thanks Mark.

PS: What are your plans in Australia?

[SlotsNZ]

Pitlane - PM sent re: my invasion of your village

[pitlane3]

Hi Mark,
can I reserve Number 23.
Thank you

[chenglaw]

Thanks, Mark, for the spot in the series and for allocating #13 to me (hope it'll be a LUCKY 13)! Quite a few chassis/bodyshell permutations to play around with - scratching my head and trying to come up with something workable. From the pics shown of 3 of the tracks, looks like smooth running and good handling cars are going to be the order of the day instead of big bad rocket ships. Looking forward to the fun of building my car and to the start of the series.

[SlotsNZ]

Hi Guys,

just a note of clarification, ENTRY NUMBER is merely a way of me keeping track of people's entries, your CAR will carry the numbers of the actual car that raced.

[espsix]

If this means wer'e allowed to put our hand up for a spot.

Put me down for one!

[SlotsNZ]

Not yet - from Post #1 "NOTE: The rules document advises when entries open, and the order in which they will be accepted."

BUT, of course, like I advised Stubbo, you've helped get the sucker together, and I'm treating you both with same 2 day priority under the rules as last year's runners. 30th October. That gives (and everyone else) you 6 weeks to decide upon your entry prior to opening, so you can nominate it (and backups if desired), on your entry form, which is required.

espsix, on Sep 16 2009, 06:47 AM, said:

If this means wer'e allowed to put our hand up for a spot.

Put me down for one!

[espsix]

Sorry, i haven't read the posted rules document yet. lol.

[SlotsNZ]

espsix, on Sep 16 2009, 08:50 AM, said:

Sorry, i haven't read the posted rules document yet. lol.

Now you've made me laugh so hard I nearly wet myself Brett...... you've got a copy of the 99%-er already sitting on your PC .......off to the dunny to check for damage .....

[chenglaw]

SlotsNZ, on Sep 15 2009, 06:26 PM, said:

b]Notes, Explanations, Clarifications and FAQ [/b]

- will be edited and updated as anything arises that I feel has content of general interest, and thus belongs at the beginning of the proxy thread

A note of clarification, ENTRY NUMBER is merely a way of me keeping track of people's entries, your CAR will carry the numbers of the actual car that raced.

OKAY, screw-up No.1 It has been pointed out to me that some CanAm cars, which are intended to be legal, exceed the 63mm body width limit I set.
Case in point, the HSRR McLaren. I was aslo told the FLY LOla T70 MkIII and FLY Porsche 917 exceed the limit. I measured my T70, it was 62.5 on my vernier. but I only have a 917K (which is 62.2mm), so if anyone is able to check a 917/10, and/or can check any resin bodies for width, this is one thing which can simply be adjusted now to a more suitable number.

What I wanted to achieve with that rule was to exclude any cars of 1/28th or 1/30th scale - "simply" ----- yes, yes, I am simple - but i meant the rule.

Mark, I measured the Classic King Cobra f/g shell and it checks out at 65.56mm. The FLY Porsche 917/10 (albeit the 1973 Interserie version) measures 62.66. The GB Track Porsche 917 is 62.10 at its widest point whilst the Slot.it Alfa T33 comes in at 62.55mm. Incidentally, when you say Slot.it HRS chassis, I presume it includes both the original HRS and HRS2?
I suppose the date in the following is a typo:
" Cars are to be received at 42 Pinotage Drive, Oakland Estate, Napier 4112, New Zealand before the 1/02/09. "
If not, we're all going to miss the boat!

[Davnic74]

SlotsNZ, on Sep 15 2009, 08:26 PM, said:

so if anyone is able to check a 917/10,

My Fly 917/10 is 62.25, Fly 908/3 62.68, Fly Lola T70 63.05.

Edited by Davnic74, 17 September 2009 - 04:38 PM.

[kalbfellp]

The widest car that competed in Can Am was the March 707 in 1970. It was 83.75 inches wide and that scales to 66.5 mm in 1/32 scale.
I had to narrow both my 612 Ferrari and Lola 310 moulds to meet most club regualtions of 62.5 as they were both just over.

[Eno the Wonderdog]

so no Vanquish cars then - damn _ I like them.

Prepare to have your bum beaten interstate and intercontinental types

I have a (mumfle) and you'll all lose so there!

..or I'll forget..

[chenglaw]

"OKAY, screw-up No.1 It has been pointed out to me that some CanAm cars, which are intended to be legal, exceed the 63mm body width limit I set.
Case in point, the HSRR McLaren. I was aslo told the FLY LOla T70 MkIII and FLY Porsche 917 exceed the limit. I measured my T70, it was 62.5 on my vernier. but I only have a 917K (which is 62.2mm), so if anyone is able to check a 917/10, and/or can check any resin bodies for width, this is one thing which can simply be adjusted now to a more suitable number.

What I wanted to achieve with that rule was to exclude any cars of 1/28th or 1/30th scale - "simply" ----- yes, yes, I am simple - but i meant the rule."

kalbfellp, on Sep 17 2009, 05:53 PM, said:

The widest car that competed in Can Am was the March 707 in 1970. It was 83.75 inches wide and that scales to 66.5 mm in 1/32 scale.
I had to narrow both my 612 Ferrari and Lola 310 moulds to meet most club regualtions of 62.5 as they were both just over.

Right then, Mark, not trying to rush you, but when can we expect a final decision on the max width? It will have an effect on our choice of cars (well, at least mine, anyway!)

[SlotsNZ]

Hi Lim and all who have been waiting.
Thanks for your patience, this has proven to be a tricky one.
In addition to what you see on forum, I have chatted with Dave Rheinecke, and others, and have received some more measurements by mail, including a big pile of measurements from Phil on his own resins this morning, and some FLY classics - which mirrored measurements I had taken.

The tricky thing is that according to the 1:1 car data I have trolled up while endeavouring to decide what to do, nearly EVERY SINGLE plastic slot car is over width to scale . . seriously...... it's just that some are more overscale than others....... and are known as such.

So I can't use tricky things like actual scale or nearly all cars would be disqualified unless I allowed at least a 10-15% tolerance, and I can't easily draw a line in the sand for width as a number either based on what I have found.

SO, here is what I propose. Maximum width to be 65mm, which enables nearly everything RTR to fit. Why that measurement? It enables inclusion of All CanAm cars we normally "think of" as 1/32nd scale, eg HSRR, FLY, and so on, and the majority of of resins. It xcludes VMG and RACER cars which are known as larger scale.

It excludes some resins which are REALLY overscale like the RMS 612, which according to my calculations should be 56.5mm wide, not 69mm wide.... scary.
Sorry Lim, that will exclude the particular resin you mentioned, but I feel it is just getting too far out of the park. - unless you can show me some data on actual size that might change my mind.

Allowing this 65mm width of body, which IS over-scale anyway, means that some overscale cars could gain a significant advantage by utilizing this full width in their "track", so I am adding a footnote/codicil that front and rear track may not exceed 63mm. That will help re-level the playing field, whilst enablng a broad use of bodies.

I'll update that in the official rules docs tonight or tomorrow, soon as I have time.

For those of you who may be considering use of a Resin body
Here are the widths of Phil K's and some other resins.

Shadow 63.5
Lola T310 63.05 and 64.0 Two different ones
TI 22 61
McLaren M12 63.5
312 P Coupe Aurora 64.4
312 P Coupe Resin 66.0 (Proto I think)
Ferrari 350 60.5
Honker 65
King Cobra 58.44
Porsche 917/10 Early one Part finished 62.5

[chenglaw]

Right then Mark, thanks for the in-depth reply and info. I have no problems with your ruling - just wanted a clear cut answer so that any car I build will not come out on the wrong side. Can now safely choose a legal bodyshell and start work on it. Yeah, I know it's 4 months to "delivery date" but knowing the pace at which I work, I'll need that lead time.