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#1 BMR

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Posted 13 July 2009 - 04:07 PM

Ok I have the cars and I will soon bribe some people around to run a time trial and see how the cars qualify . In the meantime - since its raining outside I will sit quietly in front of HD1 and check the cars over and report any problems that may arise so anything that needs a glue ot tighten can be done and anything else that may require more can be attended to by the owner if it needs it .
From what Imkouwell said all the cars are ok and I didn't see anything or have anything mentioned to me about repairs so Im not expecting to have much to do except take in all your tuning secrets and filing them away for future use :coffee:

If any of you SA locals are reading I need some hands on help to run the time trial / qualifying so I can post some info and set a running order for the cars , when are you free and able to drop over ?

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Posted 13 July 2009 - 04:42 PM

Just had a look through the cars in the box ,
Firstly theres 20 slots in the box but only 19 cars ? Hope thats ok for a start - has there been a with drawl or was it just how the box came together ?
Secondly there are 4 cars with wings off the bodies , Phil K , Terry , Blue 95 and Fangio all wings except Phils are in the box - anyone know where Phils wing is ? I will gladly glue them on I use selleys Kwik grip , its a clear drying water based glue that will give again if the car gets into another tumble and hits the wing again. its water soluable glue thats a bit like aquadhere so when your car comes home you can remove it and glue it with something more permanent if you like or let me know and I will just leave it off the car and tucked safely away in the bubble wrap until the end of the proxy series . Your call guys .

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Posted 13 July 2009 - 05:39 PM

I sent Wet Coast Racers car back to Steve before Round 1

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Posted 13 July 2009 - 05:46 PM

View Postkalbfellp, on Jul 13 2009, 05:39 PM, said:

I sent Wet Coast Racers car back to Steve before Round 1
Ah Ha , that would explain the empty pidgeon hole in the transport box , it was probably mentioned in one of the earlier threads but I have either missed it or forgotten it . Cheers Phil

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Posted 13 July 2009 - 05:47 PM

View PostBMR, on Jul 13 2009, 05:42 PM, said:

Just had a look through the cars in the box ,
Firstly theres 20 slots in the box but only 19 cars ? Hope thats ok for a start - has there been a with drawl or was it just how the box came together ?
Secondly there are 4 cars with wings off the bodies , Phil K , Terry , Blue 95 and Fangio all wings except Phils are in the box - anyone know where Phils wing is ? I will gladly glue them on I use selleys Kwik grip , its a clear drying water based glue that will give again if the car gets into another tumble and hits the wing again. its water soluable glue thats a bit like aquadhere so when your car comes home you can remove it and glue it with something more permanent if you like or let me know and I will just leave it off the car and tucked safely away in the bubble wrap until the end of the proxy series . Your call guys .
Its in the post I found it when I was tidying up my desk this morning - sorry Phil

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Posted 13 July 2009 - 05:56 PM

View Postaastes, on Jul 13 2009, 05:47 PM, said:

View PostBMR, on Jul 13 2009, 05:42 PM, said:

Just had a look through the cars in the box ,
Firstly theres 20 slots in the box but only 19 cars ? Hope thats ok for a start - has there been a with drawl or was it just how the box came together ?
Secondly there are 4 cars with wings off the bodies , Phil K , Terry , Blue 95 and Fangio all wings except Phils are in the box - anyone know where Phils wing is ? I will gladly glue them on I use selleys Kwik grip , its a clear drying water based glue that will give again if the car gets into another tumble and hits the wing again. its water soluable glue thats a bit like aquadhere so when your car comes home you can remove it and glue it with something more permanent if you like or let me know and I will just leave it off the car and tucked safely away in the bubble wrap until the end of the proxy series . Your call guys .
Its in the post I found it when I was tidying up my desk this morning - sorry Phil
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Posted 13 July 2009 - 06:13 PM

Hey Steve not sure when you want to run the time trial but i fly to Thailand on thursday for ten days of sun beer and relaxation. So I can help if its tomorrow or wednesday night.
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Posted 13 July 2009 - 08:06 PM

View Postfirst corner crash, on Jul 13 2009, 06:13 PM, said:

Hey Steve not sure when you want to run the time trial but i fly to Thailand on thursday for ten days of sun beer and relaxation. So I can help if its tomorrow or wednesday night.
Nope sorry if your lucky enough to fly away from the cold weather we are having you will just have to miss out ........ or give me your ticket . :alcohol:
I am busy both Tuesday and Wednesday nights this week also Friday / Saturday nights this weekend are busy so it will be during the week next week some time

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Posted 13 July 2009 - 08:26 PM

View PostBMR, on Jul 13 2009, 06:56 PM, said:

View Postaastes, on Jul 13 2009, 05:47 PM, said:

View PostBMR, on Jul 13 2009, 05:42 PM, said:

Just had a look through the cars in the box ,
Firstly theres 20 slots in the box but only 19 cars ? Hope thats ok for a start - has there been a with drawl or was it just how the box came together ?
Secondly there are 4 cars with wings off the bodies , Phil K , Terry , Blue 95 and Fangio all wings except Phils are in the box - anyone know where Phils wing is ? I will gladly glue them on I use selleys Kwik grip , its a clear drying water based glue that will give again if the car gets into another tumble and hits the wing again. its water soluable glue thats a bit like aquadhere so when your car comes home you can remove it and glue it with something more permanent if you like or let me know and I will just leave it off the car and tucked safely away in the bubble wrap until the end of the proxy series . Your call guys .
Its in the post I found it when I was tidying up my desk this morning - sorry Phil
Posted to me or back to Phil ?
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Posted 14 July 2009 - 06:16 PM

I managed some time in the shed today while the sun was out , I have a bored 8 year old at home on school holidays and it was her suggestion we go out to the shed and run the proxy cars through the qualifying . Thankfully she can follow directions on the computer and with the SRM program all set up to run qualifying heats it was an easy thing to do . I was also pleasantly surprised at the grip levels today , She ran a drone car around for 10 minutes to clean up the track then I got stuck into running the proxy cars . She jot down all the lap times and replaced the cars as their turn rolled up , did a great job . Spot on with the lap times when compared to the computer screen shot as well - who said girls don't like slot cars - all kids can be corrupted into enjoying Dads hobby .

Enough garble heres the results and some more garble on the cars performance below plus a few pics that should help to see the track sections Im talking about regarding the cars performance on the track

Proxy round 7 2009

Esp6 8.044
Good on the track but low on performance climbing the up hill back straight , not slow but sluggish compared to some of the other cars good brakes and flows around the track well. The car also handles the short infield area well where there is a short straight about 1.5m long into a 180 degree corner here below just in front of the marshals box
Infield area heading towards marshal box
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sweeper leading onto hill climb back straight
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Fangio 8.352
Good car but maybe a little light in the nose – lifted the flag out when accelerating as its exiting the sweeper corner onto the hill climb back straight (only once ) , the cars are sliding here and then need to switch back to sweep in the opposite direction a little where they often power slide up the hill to the back straight . If a car hooks up here it can gain ground on the other cars. The pic doesn't show it well but there is about 300mm in hieght difference between the main straight and the back straight . drivers need to show some good control with the throttle going from a power slide into the back straight so they can keep the car gripping to gain some speed along the back straight - its a challenge with some of the high torque motors in some cars not to stab the throttle too hard here its easy to give a car too much and slide into a 180 spin and out of the slot - good fun if you get it right
Oswald 7.782
Nice all around performer on the track easy to drive around smoothly and felt stable in every corner good brakes for the short stuff infield and good brakes at the end of the straights – de ja vu here , think I wrote the same about your car last year ?
Kalbfelp 8.080
Nice and stable on the track – come to expect that from Phils cars now but this time around the car is suffering from a shortage of braking power , the drivers will be made aware of all the cars braking abilities before they start with each car. This car will need early braking and let it flow , power is a little down on some others in the field its got the speed along the straight but needs a lot of track to slow down as well.
Terry 8.081
Another car that needs to flow around the track – less braking power than Phils car , has speed and is stable but it will need to hit the brakes earlier than most especially for the corner leading up to the computer at the end of the back straight
Corner by the computer
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Sprint 8.077
Fast car on the straights careful with the throttle on the sweeper and up hill back straight the power and brakes are almost instant , with the brakes backed off a little it smoothes out to enter the corners better , hard car to come to terms with quickly which could cost some time while the driver gets used to it , only a 2 lap practise to do that though then its line up to race !
Boss302 7.710
Good brakes and nice power for the track should do well the car is stable in all the corners and through the sweepers under a constant power slide. Grip is good up the back straight and braking into the corner approaching the computer is good as well
Magoo 7.860
Another car with good brakes and power delivery that suits the tighter areas and slowing up at the end of the straights , stable in the power slides as well. Grip is good and should improve as the track gets more rubbered up
JB 7.352
Drives very nice nice on the brakes and smooth onto the power in all sections of the track , also very easy to get used to , I did one or two laps with each car before running the 1 minute qualifying session and managed the 7.3 time easily this car should do very well in the race , reminds me of the way manimals car took to the track and that car won here.
Smallnails 7.736
Strong low down power that needs a bit of respect on the exit of the corners it will give a bit of a tail whip and some tyre shudder if you throttle on too early through the sweepers , excellent brakes and handles this track layout well , the corner by the computer will test the drivers throttle finger out where they need the power on smoothly to exit the corner for a quick stab at the 1.5m straight then smooth through the next 180 corner. This car should raise their pulse rate and do well if they come to terms with the power quickly
FCC 7.395
Local car so some of its initial setting up was done on this track – Good all around on the track and stable through the sweepers in a power slide , good brakes can deliver its power quickly , good grip for the straight line speed , should finish well in the race
Davenic74 7.810
Nice and smooth , good brakes leading into the corners but down a little on raw power compared to some of the other cars , stable in the corners and through the faster sweeping corners looses out on straight line speed
Sportsracer 7.639
Fast car but feels a little nervous in the sweeper corners while its power sliding , ( loose tyre maybe ?) some cars can hook up and drive through the sweepers very well and gain on the others but some cars tail wag about searching for some even grip through the sweeper as they exit from under the bridge , this car feels like its hitting a oil spot every 300mm and it throws the rear end off line – only slightly but thats all it takes to slow it down and make it feel nervous . It stays in the slot though and has the straight line speed and good braking . When the track is more race ready and has a few more laps on it it may hook up better and end up on the podium
Sweeper corner exit under the bridge
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Another view of the sweeper exit under the bridge
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AASTES 7.886
Easy car to drive , smooth and brakes nice into the corners , easy on the power exits to the corners as well but down on power for the longer straights real easy to get used to so the drivers should keep it in the slot to accumulate a decent lap count while some of the faster cars may be idle in the marshals hands for a few seconds after a de slot its a very forgiving car as well . Its not the fastest qualifier but its no slouch either.
Blue95 7.763
This car needs an on off switch , its stable as it laps around the track but the motor is either on or off , some brake pot adjustment will help it flow into a corner but then its still quite hard to get the power to come on smoothly to aviod a power overslide its got plenty of straight line speed and grips well through the sweepers where it does gain time but ya gotta be careful in the infield sections through the tighter parts where a car that has smoother power delivery gets through much easier and faster , this car needs a very quick throttle finger to get its best lap time. It can cut a quick lap time but its not a car that you can relax with for a split second or it will bite ya
Beejay7 7.580
Nice car on the track , stable with no odd behaviour characteristics anywhere just a little short on the braking ability compared to some of the other cars , the braking is ok in the shorter sections and it actually helps the car negotiate the tighter infield sections by smoothing the corner entrance speed nicely and letting the car flow through rather than locking the rear wheels and getting a bit out of shape like some cars , The ends of the long straights is where the brakes are a little shy . Without a nosey at its gearing I would guess its possibly a little more geared for top speed and the motor may still not be up high in its RPM even at the end of the main straight ? Or its carrying a fair bit of ballast weight ? I don’t have any of the cars stats on hand so its just a guess . Still a very nice car to drive on the track and its no slouch regarding its lap times
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Pitlane3 7.986
This car sounds rattly and its harsh on acceleration and brakes , its got a bit of hop in both situations , a quick look at it and its got loose fitting rear axle bushes so the rear axle has a fair bit of slop to deal with . If that axle slop was gone it would smooth out the way it runs and it would do better . The car handled the track layout well and doesn’t do anything odd anywhere it slides ok and brakes ok but the slight bounce would not be helping it to get its power down onto the track . Don’t know just now where its sitting on the leader board but some bushes that fit the axle better would do wonders for the car . I haven’t taken the body off so it may actually have some slop in the area where the chassis holds the bushes ?
DaveK 7.879
Quite a nice car for what looks to be an out of the box RTR car at a glance , its got the speed along the straights and handles the sweepers well and is quite forgiving through the tighter sections as well , good grip , could be a surprise package . The brakes are about medium compared to some of the others and its gets through the back straight and up the hill towards the computer corner faster than I expected which is good as many of the cars struggle for grip while they change direction through that section but that also has a habit of sneaking up on the drivers as they aren’t expecting to need the brakes so quickly for the end of the back straight . If the drivers don’t over drive this car it can do well in its overall lap count . It reaches the corner at the end of the main straight quickly as well which could also catch the drivers when they reach for the brakes , it feels light when its on the brakes – could be locking up the rear wheels and sliding along instead of slowing down – where is that ABS when ya need it
Final starting order in the SRM qualifying run
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Posted 14 July 2009 - 06:48 PM

Its the skinny raptors on the back of my car thatis probably making it a little whippy in the rear, thanks for the good time!
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Posted 14 July 2009 - 07:24 PM

Remind me not to repair cars and make them better than mine

3rd placed practice time for BeeJay - Now if only I could get some one to build a car for me next year AND then I fix it - I might just have a winning method.

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Posted 15 July 2009 - 09:59 AM

15th, and 7 tenths off the pace, what happened?

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Posted 15 July 2009 - 10:23 AM

Thanks for the good qualifying time Steve. I thought the car looked a bit under geared for Wayne's track bit too much brake and too brutal in its power delivery but perhaps with the uphill section on your track and the ability to get one the power early in the big corner the gearing suits your track better. One question though are you going to run them slowest to fastest or fastest to slowest?

Edited by first corner crash, 15 July 2009 - 10:24 AM.

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Posted 15 July 2009 - 12:21 PM

Hi Guys
I was curious to compare times so I just had a look back at Qualifying for the non pod cars at Round 3 .
The fastest podded car would have qualified at about 12th amongst the non pods. I expect that track conditions and temp plays a role here but once the track condition improves it will be intersting to see whether the podded cars move up the time sheets.

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Posted 15 July 2009 - 12:55 PM

Lenny, you got me curious to, so i had a look a bit further back.

At Imkouwls track
manmmal Astin Martin Ortmanns 5.237
ESPSIX 5.478
aprox, 2 1/2 tenths.

results
Manimmal 129.9 laps
ESPSIX 126.1 laps
just under 4 laps.
so the cars are fairly even.



At BMRs track,
Manimal 6.707
Esp6 8.044
aprox, 1.4 secs.
results
Manimmal 92.6 laps
ESPSIX Alot less??

Is something wrong with my car??
i'd like the chance to fix it before the racing starts!
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Posted 15 July 2009 - 01:21 PM

Your correct on the track conditions Alan , the cars were gripping ok , infact heaps better than I thought they would considering the tracks blue lane only had about 10 minutes of playing around on it with a 50 cent FJ - Thats a mabuchi (electric mirror motor) mounted in a lightweight chassis with a vac formed FJ Holden body on it for those that may never have heard of it. Some in SA call them the 50c FJ class because thats what the motors cost us. Anyway ESP6 was the first proxy car to hit the track so may have suffered a little compared to the last proxy car on the track (DaveK) regarding grip . I suppose I could have run the first couple of cars again to see if they improved their times but I didn,t . Sorry bad luck drink ya medicine B)
On race day the track I will do the usual track prep - air blower through the slots then a vaccum then I will have 4 drone cars running on it for at least 1/2 an hour to lay down some fresh rubber and if I can I will run the event on a Saturday arvo so the surface should be a little warmer than an evening event . I will also wear my lucky red socks and make an offering to the gods of traction.

re the running order - As I used the qualifying program on the SRM program and the proxy names are all stored in the computer with that race all set up ready to go I assume when I turn on the computer and select to run that race again it will automatically place the drivers in order according to that qualifying out come ? yes - no ? Thats the first time I have used the SRM qualifying feature , As in the real world the fastest cars are at the front of the grid so they go first huh . ESP6 I was also surprised that your car felt sluggish ? Could be that first car on was the cause and the grip was possibly not as good but it wasn't sliding about or giving any other indication that it was fighting for grip . If it was grip then starting a little lower down the list may indeed help it along on race day . I will do my best to make it all fair on everyone . Remember its only a toy car race.

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Posted 15 July 2009 - 01:36 PM

Come clean Steve, the WD 40 hadnt fully dried yet when Espsix's car was put on the track B)
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Posted 15 July 2009 - 01:43 PM

View PostBMR, on Jul 13 2009, 04:12 PM, said:

Just had a look through the cars in the box ,
Firstly theres 20 slots in the box but only 19 cars ? Hope thats ok for a start - has there been a with drawl or was it just how the box came together ?
Secondly there are 4 cars with wings off the bodies , Phil K , Terry , Blue 95 and Fangio all wings except Phils are in the box - anyone know where Phils wing is ? I will gladly glue them on I use selleys Kwik grip , its a clear drying water based glue that will give again if the car gets into another tumble and hits the wing again. its water soluable glue thats a bit like aquadhere so when your car comes home you can remove it and glue it with something more permanent if you like or let me know and I will just leave it off the car and tucked safely away in the bubble wrap until the end of the proxy series . Your call guys .


I thought Phils wing was in the bottom of the plastic bag, but I could be wrong
Also I only run 18 cars so I was wondering if I accidently put in an Extra car B)
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Posted 15 July 2009 - 04:02 PM

View PostImkouwl, on Jul 15 2009, 02:43 PM, said:

View PostBMR, on Jul 13 2009, 04:12 PM, said:

Just had a look through the cars in the box ,
Firstly theres 20 slots in the box but only 19 cars ? Hope thats ok for a start - has there been a with drawl or was it just how the box came together ?
Secondly there are 4 cars with wings off the bodies , Phil K , Terry , Blue 95 and Fangio all wings except Phils are in the box - anyone know where Phils wing is ? I will gladly glue them on I use selleys Kwik grip , its a clear drying water based glue that will give again if the car gets into another tumble and hits the wing again. its water soluable glue thats a bit like aquadhere so when your car comes home you can remove it and glue it with something more permanent if you like or let me know and I will just leave it off the car and tucked safely away in the bubble wrap until the end of the proxy series . Your call guys .


I thought Phils wing was in the bottom of the plastic bag, but I could be wrong
Also I only run 18 cars so I was wondering if I accidently put in an Extra car B)
There is only 18 cars ...... I thought you engineering guys could count ? :) Check the qualifying list - 18 . Sorry the wing that was packed with Phils car was for another car .
Esp6 - nothing wrong with your car it was running very well at Imkouwells place and since then its been run only once to qualify - maybe the fuel mix is out ? Im about 150 metres closer to sea level :lol:
To all - if your into comparing the cars performance at each venue thats your thing folks but if you can be bothered then compare the qualifying order at each venue to the actual finishing order , I think you will find that the fastest qualifier doesn't always win ? I haven't looked myself but there are plenty of variables to take into account that contribute to the total lap count in the end.
Different drivers skill
stock or electronic controllers may or may not be used by all drivers
different tyres
different motors with different characteristics
different gearing in the cars that may suit one track over another
race incidents - crashed cars in the way or taking a leader out
also different voltages at some venues
different surfaces
different track layouts - some twisty some fast and flowing
blah blah blah
A car may be great on one track but not so good on another track - thats proxy racing.
Don,t read too much into the thoughts on a car thats just how it runs on one track all it may offer is some insight as to what works on one track , more info to help with building next years car.

To throw some balance into the mix yesterday my scalextric Camaro did a 8.2 and in the past on a event night with the track all clean it has done an 7.5 Slot its average 7.3 - 7.2 on a clean track
last years results on my track for those that may be interested in comparisons
note the qualifying times vs race finish positions and top 3 cars lap times vs qualifying times
http://www.auslot.com/forums/index.php?sho...=7363&st=40

Edited by BMR, 15 July 2009 - 04:52 PM.






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