lavenlaar Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 Ok - little dilemma here at work Have a certain staff member what looked like tea-leafing out of the till caught on camera. We (owner & myself) confronted him yesterday, but because he was also taking money for deliveries, made it look near innocent, but we were $100 short in the till ! We gave him the benefit of the doubt yesterday, but saying this is the way we are now going to do things (few changes) and today - send him out to do deliveries, i wrote down the amount i gave him (without him knowing) and shouldve come back with $100 instead he came back with $90 !!!! $10 SHORT !!!! I called him and asked about this, and he blatently denies even having $10 WHAT DO I DO ????? Confused Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gref Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 Once a thief, always a thief, I'd be surprised if it changes Quote 2 x australian ego champion regards Shane Fulel racing in first track build --> https://youtu.be/nG1EyFkbJSs My second track build --> raceday - https://youtu.be/8WXYQ528iKM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports Racer Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 Have a word with Workplace Relations. The old law was you have to give 1 x verbal warning and 2 x written warnings before you can sack anyone. Not sure about the new rules but isn't theft an instantly sackable offence? Quote May the downforce be with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigfela Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 (edited) Yeah,Theft is as you say "instantly sackable". Lav & I spoke of this on sun/mon?& from what he has said to me it's not the 1st time the person in question has done this. I say try & set him up or tell him that it's just not "working out".Either way your in a spot mate aren't you? Can't elaborate more on this. I voted "Let it slide",FOR NOW! Edited January 30, 2008 by Bigfela Quote PSN:- Llewy13. Thrillhouse Arcade member Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 Have a word with Workplace Relations. The old law was you have to give 1 x verbal warning and 2 x written warnings before you can sack anyone. Not sure about the new rules but isn't theft an instantly sackable offence? That is certainly my understanding, but with the new IR laws size of the company now comes into play, different set of laws for <100 employees as to larger ones. If it was me I could never trust a person like that again, and with that in mind take appropriate steps to resolve it. Quote Regards Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipp Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 (edited) You could always increase his wages, so that he does not need the suppliments. Perhaps he is not very good at Maths, and he is being done over by the customers, and is not smart enough to notice? If you have concrete evidence against him, then you have to let him go (and get your money back). It seems like a poor situation. Edited January 30, 2008 by zipp Quote Hmm, everythings upside down?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johno Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 Im not up to speed on the silly IR laws but Id certainly be making notes about when these incidents occur. That way you help cover your arse and have details for the police if you go down that path in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinno Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 How long has he been there and if only for a short time did he get a three month probation in his agreement on starting? If he is still on probation then terminate him. Small businesses can't afford to lose money daily, not that anyone else can either but he ain't a team player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ontheflipside Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 Probably owns a Ford and needs the money to keep it on the road! Quote I can't believe that I wanted to grow up Mount Salt Panorama Track Combined Road and Rally Track built near Salt Pan Creek Padstow - Sydney A quick build rally track 2017 WRP Round 11 at Mt Salt Panorama https://i128.photobu...zpss7sqiwfj.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davnic74 Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 3 warning's and your out regardless of IR law's in which case would make it even easier to sack is theiving A#& . Quote Regard's David Team Phoenix 4 x Australian National Champion. Premier Raceway Build Gallery Raceway Build. Heany Park Raceway Build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavenlaar Posted January 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 Businesses with up to 100 staff are exempt from unfair dismissal laws. So thats no problems....just the principle behind this all ... if he even dropped the $10 , he still has a responsibility for it as he is still working. Me, I wouldve said in that situation - well i mustve dropped it and i'll pay for it tomorrow when i work. Even if i dont fire him for theft, all this (if giving too much out to customers) is just INCOMPETENCE ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davnic74 Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 but we were $100 short in the till ! The $10 here and there add up (as above quote) how much more money can you throw away? I think the answer is clear unfortunatly for him! Quote Regard's David Team Phoenix 4 x Australian National Champion. Premier Raceway Build Gallery Raceway Build. Heany Park Raceway Build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldslot Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 get rid of him as quick as you can he is obviously a theif and even if you stop him in one way he will always be looking at other ways to steal there is no point in having someone around if you cant trust them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlotsNZ Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 (edited) Mate, if your labour laws are anything like the NZ ones, you can catch him walking out the door with an armful of money, boasting of having blown your safe, and if you don't talk nicely to him, he'll get the employment lawyers to "do you" for a few thousand compensation for hurt feelings. So tread very carefully, and document everything - and most of all, seek advice from your Employers Federation or whatever it's called as to the bullet-proof-ISH way to go about getting rid of him. Unless you have a human kindness streak 20 miles wide, and want to try and redeem him, he WILL be a constant worry and liability, and may lead others to think THEY can do the same. He's a liability that may infect others. Interviews and verbal warnings WITH witnesses are good . . . . written warnings that he has to sign a copy of back to you as he receives it, . . are good. "RE-training" by you on how to handle and count money, . . . is good - it shows you have done ALLLLLLLLL you can to try and resolve any issue that MAY have NOT been dishonesty, to the best of your ability - very good in our labour market. Counts for lots of brownie points if you end up getting taken toa labour court by him for unfair dismissal, compensation, etc. and yeah, it all stinks . . . . Edited January 30, 2008 by SlotsNZ Quote Recovering Lapsed Slot Addict * Custodian of many used screws (mostly loose ) * Total kidder * Companion of other delusional slot addicts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavenlaar Posted January 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 Whether or not i hurt his feelings . THEFT is an offence and instantly sackable. He got his warning the 2 days ago when we confronted him...but was $50 short for the monday shift as well, and $10 yesterday .... G O N E ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigfela Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 Ok,Clearly I've *$@#ed up .Get rid of the bastard. Quote PSN:- Llewy13. Thrillhouse Arcade member Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rawprawn Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 Whether or not i hurt his feelings . THEFT is an offence and instantly sackable. He got his warning the 2 days ago when we confronted him...but was $50 short for the monday shift as well, and $10 yesterday .... G O N E ! Thats right. Surprisingly it's also against the law. Leave of your own accord or I'll involve the police then watch him run for the door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlotsNZ Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 (edited) Thats right. Surprisingly it's also against the law. Leave of your own accord or I'll involve the police then watch him run for the door. In NZ at least, THAT wording is called "blackmail" and if proven would result in both employment action against the employer costing thousands of $ AND likely CRIMINAL charges against the employer - and YES it DOES happen here. I have a friend who got done both ways- despite having taken advice FROM the government wallies on how to go about it, and following said advice . .geat justice - not. Edited January 30, 2008 by SlotsNZ Quote Recovering Lapsed Slot Addict * Custodian of many used screws (mostly loose ) * Total kidder * Companion of other delusional slot addicts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyprock Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 Make him line up at Centrelink you don't need incompetence, lies or a theif, if you can't trust now you never will and that's not good, just my 2 bobs worth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 You should have told me before i went away on the long weekend ........ could have taken him with me ! Quote Quickly read this post before it is deleted or i turn grey again Gary http://www.facebook.com/Rallyproxy2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavenlaar Posted January 31, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 Well - he got his marching orders The business could not keep up like that All for the better i say Cheers and thanks for all your help ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyprock Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 yep for sure well done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slots Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 Lav, you done the right thing but you left out one option, Lose him and INFORM Centrelink. Do that and he won't get the doll. :minigun: Quote Stu Old racers race harder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavenlaar Posted February 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 Now you wouldn't believe the audacity of this guy....! He has used a mediator to try and bribe 1 weeks extra pay out of us, for not giving him 1 weeks notice ... (i thought stealing was inditable - ON THE SPOT) but has gone to IndRelations to try for a loop hole. BUT ... he came back that afternoon with a RESIGNATION LETTER - and the words EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY ! ! ! :rolleyes: now absolutely no leg to stand on .... but either way - have still the video evidence of him "stealing" Just shows what employees of deplicitious nature are capable of trying. From now on, all my staff (the new ones) are on 6mth probationary periods. LAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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