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#1 aussieslotter

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Posted 11 November 2007 - 07:48 PM

Hi All. (As posted on SF)
The Lane Brain project has grown and changed and grown since first announced. Next there was an interface (Race Base), then V-Dash, then wireless, routed application, flipper assembly, then making the chip compatible to other brands.
So Ive decided to roll all threads into just one now the projects direction has been re-established.
The total concept project is best described by breaking down into sections:

Scorpius
A proposed totally new DC or AC based 16 channel wireless digital slot car system that can run on most digital and all analog tracks.

Wireless controller
Called the Smart Controller this is the brains of the entire system and basically is a wireless controller with all the aux box type goodies on board. It will use Hall sensor technology. It is like a powerbase without the power. It will have a screen and run on batteries. It sends its commands straight to the car (or PC if needed). It will incorporate throttle manipulation programs, track call, ghost car, kiddies mode, pit stop commands etc

Wireless car chip
A new robust 3 amp 20V unit that can be changed to suit Scorpius, SSD, Ninco or Carrera at the press of a button. This is a universal chip and a major breakthrough in compatibility issues. With the Scorpius Smart Controller and Scorpius Chipped car you could run on any analog (with brakes) and most digital systems.

Wireless Lane Change board
Still called Lane Brain, it will be for now DC based not AC and will be converted to wireless to reduce set up time and costs. It has live flipper function, anti collision, race modes and about 15 other functions. See Lane Brain post for more detail.

Wireless USB dongle
This allows more complex programs to be operated from your laptop, and the method in which you download the latest firmware to Lane Brain, Smart Controller or car chip

Flipper assembly
Simply a custom made flipper assembly for SSD or Scorpius systems. Possible to make a Ninco/Carrera version too.

Routed track application
The system is made with timber routed track in mind, with the Lane Brain and Flipper Assembly especially designed for timber routed tracks.

SSD DC Conversion.

A simple way to gets as much trouble free power as you require, no need for MSS mods, no more digital glitches.
Simply put a switch on + and - between PB and track, switch off power from PB, connect say 15V DC PSU to rails.
You will of course need Scorpius Wireless Controller and at least one Scorpius car chip and its that simple. If you want to run just SSD chipped cars turn your DC PSU off and turn SSD PB back on. Even with an entirely based SSD system you can stiil run a Scorpius chipped car on it in conjunction with a Scorpius controller, and it will still change lanes, record laps, etc.


Will post more as project develops. Next step is to make at least 3 wireless cars/controllers for more testing/racing.
Cheers
Rick

Edited by aussieslotter, 11 November 2007 - 07:51 PM.


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Posted 11 November 2007 - 08:25 PM

View Postaussieslotter, on Nov 11 2007, 07:48 PM, said:

Will post more as project develops. Next step is to make at least 3 wireless cars/controllers for more testing/racing.
Cheers
Rick

Hey Rick while I probably only understand half of that - (I will go and check out the other threads) it sounds great - my other hobby is model trains - and while I haven't moved to Digital yet - I know that when I do any DCC setup will run any Digital train.

I guess slot car systems are new with digital and are yet to get past the incompatible phase -

Are you planning to make this project commercial or is it just an experimental thing.....?

keep up the good work - look forward to following the projects progress

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Posted 11 November 2007 - 08:40 PM

Hi Penfold,
Sure Id like to sell it one day but realistically it has to be in enough demand and it also has to go through rigorous testing, so one day you might be able to buy it, but because of a lot of unknown factors Id be silly to say anything solid either way. At this stage Im getting a lot of enjoyment designing the system and testing at various stages, so its a hobby not a business, that way I get to relax and enjoy it. But I cant wait to have this up and running simply to have fun with no problems.
Cheers
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Edited by aussieslotter, 17 November 2007 - 11:55 AM.


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Posted 17 November 2007 - 11:57 AM

Digital wireless slot car and throttle on DC powered testing track.

Edited by aussieslotter, 17 November 2007 - 12:02 PM.


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Posted 17 November 2007 - 04:08 PM

View Postaussieslotter, on Nov 11 2007, 09:40 PM, said:

... but realistically it has to be in enough demand and it also has to go through rigorous testing..

Aussie - you have a whole Auslot of tester blokes ready to test it for you.. :P
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Posted 20 November 2007 - 10:47 AM

and some of us are even in the same city as he is :rolleyes:

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Posted 21 November 2007 - 04:26 PM

View Postabs, on Nov 20 2007, 11:47 AM, said:

and some of us are even in the same city as he is :D

..but it IS best to ensure it works under all circumstances.. even if it's being ran by an idiot!

(..and by someone that used to do a lot of UAT on serious (legislative guff) mainframe applications & knows how to get a plan together he hinted)
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Posted 24 November 2007 - 07:45 PM

View PostEno the Wonderdog, on Nov 21 2007, 05:26 PM, said:

(..and by someone that used to do a lot of UAT on serious (legislative guff) mainframe applications & knows how to get a plan together he hinted)
Tell me about it.... I administer the system that installs the application software to UAT and above in a goverment dept on the mainframe - and run the migrations to Production for another company on their mainframe (ie I work for an Outsourcer). Half the time what they give us to deploy to UAT needs correcting :nice:

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Posted 26 November 2007 - 07:00 AM

Hi Guys,
Latest thought is to make this a hybrid analogue/digital track straight up. This involves keeping wire taps on lanes 1 and 2 seperately and a simple switching system to have a modified analogue powerbase that can be switched to fulltime 12V for Scorpius cars.
The braid linking lanes 1 and 2 on the LC's will have a small break in it to keep supplies seperate.
So now we have a serious routed 2 lane analogue set up that can have one lane analogue and one lane digital, 2 analogue lanes or 2 digital lanes. I could do a 3 lane version too.
Once it is switched to digital the lane changers operate and the race line is now ready for use.
Idea is to bring flexibility so more can enjoy and bypass as many incompatibility issues as possible.

Cheers
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Edited by aussieslotter, 26 November 2007 - 01:35 PM.


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Posted 26 November 2007 - 07:11 AM

Great adaption Rick.

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Posted 27 November 2007 - 08:17 PM

Very interesting from here too Rick

Got another idea for you, and maybe too tricky to wire up properly


Thinking of say a plain oval track with at least 2 LC's

On Digital, as you say, all LC's are active

On Analogue, rather than inside track being always lane 1, and outside track always lane 2, with all LC's disabled maybe an alternative (with appropriate wiring) is that 2 LC's (or LC's in pairs) become ON, thus between those two particular LC's, now the inside track is now lane 2, and outside track is now lane 1

Do you get my drift ??


(I have SCXD, so not up with how the SSD parts work)

No idea if this is possible, but thought it'd add a bit of variety for the analogue driving

Edited by abs, 27 November 2007 - 08:19 PM.


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Posted 27 November 2007 - 09:13 PM

Hi abs,
I get you and yes it could be done with switching and extra wiring, not hard.
Cheers
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Posted 22 December 2007 - 02:04 PM

Hi Guys,
Chips arrived this week so be doing some laps on my new system.

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Scorpius wireless chip 20V 3 amps.




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Scorpius wireless controller. Size 30mm x 14 mm.

Tested to 21V. All good. Still more work to do.

Cheers
Rick

Edited by aussieslotter, 22 December 2007 - 02:07 PM.


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Posted 22 December 2007 - 03:48 PM

Looking the part for sure, u expecting any big name offers for your system??
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Posted 22 December 2007 - 06:15 PM

View Postsmallnails, on Dec 22 2007, 04:48 PM, said:

Looking the part for sure, u expecting any big name offers for your system??

Would be good, so scale of quantities would bring the price down. Not expecting anything in the big hard business world though.
I decided a long time ago Im doing it for the enjoyment and if it was to sell it would be a bonus.

cheers
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Posted 22 December 2007 - 07:22 PM

View Postaussieslotter, on Dec 22 2007, 07:15 PM, said:

View Postsmallnails, on Dec 22 2007, 04:48 PM, said:

Looking the part for sure, u expecting any big name offers for your system??

Would be good, so scale of quantities would bring the price down. Not expecting anything in the big hard business world though.
I decided a long time ago Im doing it for the enjoyment and if it was to sell it would be a bonus.

cheers
Rick

Take it out into the big bad.. look to someone like Slot.it or someone similar 'cause they are looking for new stuff.

Actually - have you thought someone like erm.. the German lot that make large sections.. Slot-fire? They seem to be cashed up.
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Posted 22 December 2007 - 11:15 PM

Hi Guys,
Eno would be nice but in any case need a finished product to show people.
Tonight I finally set up the Ninco set.
Glad to say all functions working, phew!
The car will work on the Ninco track even without the powerbase, its just there to give the track AC power, but could run it with 12-15V DC straight to rails. Or even AC.

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Scorpius chipped Slot.it Hydro Aluminium Porsche with Scorpius controller running on Ninco N Digital track.
Note the white antenna.



Cheers
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Edited by aussieslotter, 22 December 2007 - 11:18 PM.


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Posted 07 January 2008 - 02:34 PM

Must say this could get me back on the digital track. :huh: pun intended

From a completely selfish perspective I hope you dont sell it off to one of those guys ... cause
the first thing they'd do is cripple it to save a few cents/pence/eurocents.

Doing it this way will no doubt mean cost moe to us who want it but we will get what we want, or closer to it anyways.

besides I doubt they would give you a decent amount, more likely just steal the ideas :bday:
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Posted 08 January 2008 - 10:34 PM

Hi Snowman, glad you like it.

Testing at Armchair Racer on new 8 lane Carrera track last few days. Testing 35K motors, comparing to analogue cars etc.


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Diagram showing how wireless data is shared. Freq 2.45 GHz



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Diagram showing simple power to system.


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Posted 14 January 2008 - 04:07 PM

The only thing I dont like about it so far is the wait, hehe B)

I just hope I can get hold of a system that works properly like this one day.

Is there any website for info, I see you're using the 2.4G band, good idea really.

Is there any more info on how it works?

Regards

ps - whats a good afforable source for carrera track in Oz?
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