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A Bit Annoyed With Ninco..

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Hi guys...was gonna post in that other thread..but it closed..

 

Gotta say...I'm heavily into ssd...probably about $7000 dollars worth of stuff... Although that figure includes all my slot car stuff. track, cars and ssd requirements etc..

 

I was hot to trot to buy Ninco.... dump ssd completely and go all ninco...

I changed my mind (for the time being at least).

 

Gotta say that the amount of modifications necessary to bring ssd up to a club racing standard really pisses me off!!

Scalextric could have done so much better than that... If they had real pride in themselves they still could!!

 

Ninco falsely advertised that a ninco chipped car would run on analogue...

To the very vast majority of potential users... this is really no big deal..

But to me.. It is of great importance..

 

I am about to open my own slot racing shop...

I have two very large tables to build my tracks on..

My initial buisness plan revolved around taking bookings for up to 32 paying customers..split into four groups of 8 players..

The four groups would rotate between the two tracks and between racing and marshalling duties.

I plan to charge $25 for a 4 hour racing session

A fully booked session on n digital would have netted me $800

A fully booked session of 4 groups of 6 players on ssd ,will nett me $600.

 

Believe me... I have the facilities to accomodate 32 paying customers... And big tracks with long lap times...( I personally consider any track that has a lap time of less than 15 sec per lap to be not worthy of commercial consideration )

 

Only having 6 players per group as opposed to 8 creates a marshalling problem...I was counting on having 8 pairs of hands avaliable to use my car retrieval system..

Now I am stuck with only six!! These are big tracks to marshal folks!!

 

I have decided against taking on the Ninco system (for now at least) for some

very important reasons.

 

1.

N digital chipped cars will not run on analogue track..

My tables are designed to use a constantly powered analogue return loop for crashed cars that are removed from the track as thier penalty for crashing..

They are placed on the return loop by the marshals and return to the pit lane.. where they re enter the race...

This is the cornerstone of how my digital racing management system works...I have trialed it and it works on many levels...solves many problems..

It is non negotiable!!

 

The only way to achieve this with n digital,is to power the return loops...And that is for two seperate tables.. ( perhaps soon to be 3 tables !)using a n digital power base, set up with 8 seperate adjustable trim pots plugged into the throttle inserts..

To the best of my knowledge...N digi power bases are not available seperately..

This soon gets very expensive... and ads to the potential for failure of the very basic premise of what will make my system work... the return loop..

 

2.There has been many reports of bugs in the power base ... and workarounds necessary to get the cars running at max power..

reports of significant sensitivity to dirty braids and track rails..

Reports of overheating motors in cars.

Reports of over susceptibility to getting stuck on the dead strips on lane changers..

 

3.

Ninco have issued statements saying some batches of powerbases are susceptible to some problems ....

 

For now...I will not go N digital...Instead I will wait until I start reading glowing reports on the net of how it runs 8 cars on big tracks, with lots of lane changers and with no real problems that might jeopordise the smooth running of club racing..

 

I will be happy to make mods to an N digi system to make it stable , just like i have wih my ssd setup....

But I can't afford to wait for all this to evolve..

 

I will buy an N digi system as soon as I can afford, so I can put it to a real world test.. as a trial...

If it passes that test... I will go Ninco!!

The carrot on the stick for me is n Digi's ability to run 8 cars..

If i get 3 fully booked sessions a week with N digi...That would amount to a $600 windfall for me, over and above what i could achieve with ssd..

That is the bottom line for me..

Phil

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Excellent info Phil.

 

I think part of the problem is that these guys are kinda trying to piss higher than the other guy at the moment as they bring out new 'home' systems.

 

Right now from what I've read the only thing I've seen is Davic and it doesn't appear to have been commercialised somehow.

 

One thing though - rather than a 'circuit' is there a possibility of having a 'car return' lane next to each marxhalling point where they return to the track from 'off the racing line' in a pit lane exit type scenario?


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All commercial tracks require many upgrades to get the very best out of them.

Be it analogue or digital.

No toy manufacturer is going to provide an out of the box lifesyle/ career.

 

Making money out of a commercial track solely is a tough gig and I wish you all the best with it .The fact that you're doing it exclusivley with digital kinda puts you in pioneering mode.

 

In any commercial track no proprietor is fiddling around with stock power bases, as I'm sure you know. Its all hard wired and run on pc.

With the way things are going with the boffins on the forums it wont be long before everything can be run on pc/mac and perhaps be more of a commercial proposition.

 

All the best Geoff.

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I too am about to open a slot car raceway and have a 6 lane analouge track almost ready to go

 

I to have a gripe with SSD as I would like to set up a digital track as well but as a retailer it would be hard to send the average joe home with an SSD set know all the modifications required to get it to run like the one in the shop not to mention the almost compulsory voiding of the warrantee

 

So my option is ninco but there are so many things I like about SSD

1) more affordable

2) curved LC's

3) powered lane flippers

 

So whats a guy to do other than stick with analouge till all the bugs are sorted

 

Grrrrrrrr


Keep it in the groove

Pete

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I too am about to open a slot car raceway and have a 6 lane analouge track almost ready to go

 

I to have a gripe with SSD as I would like to set up a digital track as well but as a retailer it would be hard to send the average joe home with an SSD set know all the modifications required to get it to run like the one in the shop not to mention the almost compulsory voiding of the warrantee

 

So my option is ninco but there are so many things I like about SSD

1) more affordable

2) curved LC's

3) powered lane flippers

 

So whats a guy to do other than stick with analouge till all the bugs are sorted

 

Grrrrrrrr

I agree with you there Pete. Some days I'm dying to get at the thing then there's all the mods people are doing to make it better.. ;)

 

..you can almost hear the 'boffins' at the big four saying "You know if we went to a standard 'control' system we'd sell a squillion".. from here.. :) I hope <_<

 

When you say 'Powered lane flippers' how do the Ninco ones work? I understand SCX and Carrera power the guide but I thought Ninco did the same? Am I just getting myself confused now? <_<


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Phil, the best thing to do is to contact the Ninco distributor for Australia and give him your thoughts and worries. If kyou do that, he may already have a solution worked out for a commercial track like a different power base for commercial use only. With the problem of not being able to run a digital on an analogue track, that would most interest them as they DID advertise that you could. As I said, give them a buzz, it will only cost a phone call against all that lost revenue.

 

Cheers


Stu

 

Old racers race harder

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IWhen you say 'Powered lane flippers' how do the Ninco ones work? I understand SCX and Carrera power the guide but I thought Ninco did the same? Am I just getting myself confused now? <_<

Eno what I meant was that the SSD lane change flippers have a metal coating on them that conducts power so that a car can drive over the flipper under power rather than having to coast over them which can result in cars stopping on the lane change area

 

Addmitadly the modify guys have had to install magnets in the flippers to get it to work reliably but at least the possibilty if there


Keep it in the groove

Pete

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Thanks for the thoughts and encouragement guys! <_<

Eno..

One thing though - rather than a 'circuit' is there a possibility of having a 'car return' lane next to each marxhalling point where they return to the track from 'off the racing line' in a pit lane exit type scenario?

 

I have considered that but ruled it out for two reasons.

 

1.

It would not amount to being enough of a penalty for crashing, if there were several quick return points around the track....

I have seen the instant change in driving attitude, that takes place when this penalty is imposed...

They fear that long lap on the return loop and the massive cost in time...

The crashing becomes less frequent by an enormous amount...

Consequently the racing becomes much better...More intense, more nerve wracking and far more exciting.

Takes the whole crash and giggle 15 times a lap element right out of it.!

 

2.

A bunch of pit lanes around the outer perimeter of the tracks, would eat up valuable race circuit space...Tracks have to be as big as possible to give bang for the buck!!

 

Phil

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Pete - I undertand now.

 

Phil - surely the 'extra' lanes are going to take up the same space as a coasting lane if we're looking at space.?

 

I dounno - it's too hard to get my own rack organised! :D


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