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Hi guys,

 

In 2005, Perro and I organised a Proxy Race which had 2 parts, one at his place and one at my place. The combined times of the two legs were added together to decided the final results.

 

With a number of tracks coming online in other States of Australia, I would like to discuss as a community, the possibility of having an Auslot Proxy Race where a number of tracks are involved.

 

There’s a proxy race in America called the Race Across America which I believe is being run for the 4th year. This years event has 15 tracks with, 30 cars entered in the GT class (non mag) and 24 in the LMP class (mag class). The tracks used include board, Carrera, Scaley Sport, Artin etc. Races are held each fortnight (roughly) and all details, pics etc are reported back to the forum by each rounds host/s. Having entered this year for the first time, its pretty exciting to see pics of your car on other people’s tracks that are half way around the world. Feedback is given after each round by the track owner and everyone learns from this feedback.

 

Some members of the board who host rounds, do all of the driving duties on their own, but some are done by various racing groups. Points are awarded after each round and a leaderboard is kept to decide the winner and place getters.

 

I am hoping to get a few tracks involved this year and have discussed with Bo when I was there a month back, and he seemed keen to host a round.

 

How many rounds we run depends on the amount of support the idea gets and the number of tracks that are ready to run in a month or so. I would expect those who do offer to host rounds, have tracks with computerized timing. How the rounds are run, whether it be by individuals or by groups doesn’t matter, just so long as each car gets the same treatment. Preferably have the same people driving the cars so as to not disadvantage anyone. (Something we learnt last year) but really its up to the track host to decide how this is done. As this is the first time an event like this has been proposed to be run at Auslot, I think the number of tracks should between 4 and 8 to keep things workable. (Crawl before you walk kinda thing)

 

Regardless of tracks etc, there will be an entry fee. This will be to cover postage cost from city to city and back to the owners at the end of the event. As an example, to post 20 cars from Bris to Syd might cost about $2 to $3 per car, so if the same happens from Syd to Melb and maybe Melb to Tas, we might be looking at an entry fee of around $15 to $20 at a guess. Its not an event for me or auslot to make money from, just an event that is a hands on way to share car set up knowledge and strengthen an already great and popular community.

 

Cars (regardless of what class is decided on) are run as is at each round and are not changed in anyway from round to round, except for cleaning of braids, tyres and adjusting of screws. No gears, motors or tyres are not changed fromthe start of the race unless of a failure of some sort.

 

If a car has a mechanical problem during a round, the round host fixes the car (after consultation with the car owner) and points may be are deducted. A list of minor and major failures are available at the RAA but we can discuss this later.

 

The manta or goal I guess you could say of the race is to build a car that is not only fast, but reliable and easy to drive on a variety of tracks.

 

Rules for cars is open for discussion by I feel we should consider the RAA (Race Across America) rules as they have been thrashed out by members over many months to get to the successful stage that they are at now. Perhaps we could use these as a starting point for our own discussions.

 

I see the main points for discussion at this stage are …

 

 

What class of cars ?

 

Mag or non mag.

 

Wheels, tyres, motors, etc open to all or restricted ?

 

Board or plastic tracks or both ?

 

RTR Plastic chassis or other aftermarket chassis ?

 

If you are interested in hosting a round or running a car, or have an opinion on how the rules should take shape, pls contribute.

 

I believe we can make this an annual event and over time, increase the tracks and entries and get more of this forum involved.


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To answer my own questions..

 

What class of cars ?

GT cars as there is a big variety of them available at varying costs, styles and manufacturers.

 

Mag or non mag.

I prefer non mag so speeds are slower and cars are less likely to incur damage at the hands of someone else. Non mag cars rely more onthe ability of the car owner to set them up well and less on magnets to hide a cars faults.

 

Wheels, tyres, motors, etc open to all or restricted ?

Open to what ever you like. With a variety of tracks expected, bigger rpm motors may not be of any assistance to a cars overall performance. Silicone tyres are not neccessarily an advantage on some tracks over standard rubber tyres. Wheels and standard gears are more than competitive for this sort of purpose, but those who want to go the whole hog and spend money on aftermarket equipment are not stopped from doing so.

 

Board or plastic tracks or both ?

Both, but prefer smoother plastic types like Scaley Sport or Carrera over Scx or Ninco. (Sorry Perro) This answer is based on non mag cars.

 

RTR Plastic chassis or other aftermarket chassis ?

In an effort to maintain costs and make the event accesable for all people, I think stock RTR chassis should not be made useless by an influx of after market chassis.. TSRF, Slot.it etc.


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Great idea. My 2 cents worth. Ir routed tracks are to be used then I am sure we can organise one or two rounds at least. Non magnet car would allow those that race on either type of track to set cars,possible more entrants. RTR chassis would also provide more consistancy as this time.

Many of us do not race on magnetic track but those who race on magnetic track can always remove the magnet and test the cars!

 

We have found that by changing the cars across the lanes and leaving the drivers on one lane provideds a better and more even result.

 

Lets try and get some thing going. Its about time I can enter some one else's proxy!

 

Phil


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I would be happy to host a round on my Scalex Sport track if the guys here think it is acceptable. Depending on how many rounds we want to have in Sydney we really have alot to choose from. Bo's would have to be a definite but some other possibilities would be Luddenham? Joe's? others?

 

I suppose they would have to be 3 or more lane tracks.

 

I agree with Phil about changing the cars across the lanes and leaving the drivers on one lane. Eg. If we did this between my track and Bo's track we would need 8 people. 4 people get to do all the driving while the other 4 do marshalling at one track and then vice versa at the next track.

 

My preferences:

GT Cars - yes

Non Magnet cars only - yes

Rubber tyres only - No silicones

Original plastic chassis as supplied with car only - yes

 

Entry fee calculated beforehand once all the tracks are decided on. Basically there wouldn't be a large cost difference in postage of say 20 cars from one place to another or 30 cars. I don't think the entry fee would be too substantial once the postage is divided up. Eg. The cars may start in QLD, next to NSW, Melbourne, TAS and then home. I would say these 4 states should be definites with maybe 2 tracks in each state. If there is interest then SA and WA could be in as well.


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I agree with Phil about changing the cars across the lanes and leaving the drivers on one lane.

 

I agree also. This was the point I had in mind but didn't explain, very well so thanks for that.

 

I suppose they would have to be 3 or more lane tracks.

 

Not necessarily. Just so long as each car got the same time per driver per lane, I don't think it matters how many lanes you have. Doing more driving on your own or with less people takes longer than it does with a group... say 1 day worth compared to 1.5 hours with a group.

 

I was think each car should be run for around 10 - 12 mins per round. What do you guys think ? It does matter if its time runs and the number of laps counted or a cycle of heats and the time per heat added up.

 

2 races in eastern states good, SA and WA if we have any members willing.


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I agree with the general ideas and the way we are going. I would say that assuming we are racing non magnet lets not allow silicone tyres simply for the fact that some of the track owners who will participate don't allow them to be used.

 

If we are to use GT cars would people like to select a certain year or even race like a le mans race which would limit certain cars.

 

There is no reason to only use wood as with Joe's Scalextric Classic track being an example. Non mag works great there and I think with Perro's Ninco track being used as well we could have an interesting series.

 

For Qld we must not forget Eggies track too as that looks a beauty.

 

Tyre selection on such a wide range of tracks might be not such a big deal either as there will be nothing with a distinct advantage.

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10/12 minutes is agood time frame. We tend to use that or about 100 laps for our proxy races and then award 100 points to the winner and then use a percentage based on lap scores to all the other cars. Last year we useda handicap sysyem based on tyre width and rear axle width to try and even up the cars. I don't think tyre width would make much difference with RTR cars but rear axle width might make a differnce.

 

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Sounds good.

I'm in for at least 1 car.

 

If it's thought to be suitable, I'd be happy to arrange for an event at Luddenham on the 6 lane timber/braid track.

 

My thoughts...

What class of cars?

GT cars in a certain decade. Only have 10 year spread.

 

Mag or non mag.

Non mag

 

Wheels, tyres, motors, etc open to all or restricted?

Wheels - open.

Tyres - rubber or foam but no silicone. Can that be easily policed?

Motors - open.

 

Board or plastic tracks or both ?

Both

 

RTR Plastic chassis or other aftermarket chassis ?

Preference towards RTR plastic chassis with tuning parts, no cutting, filing, drilling etc. of the chassis.

If there were enough takers, then maybe a second class for an open class where anything goes? :o

 

 

I think the running should be basically the same at each track (set procedures beforehand) so there is no confusion. Then there can be no dispute/criticism.

 

But, whatever works for the RAA, should work here.

 

Let's go.

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I'm happy to have a round at SLIDERPARK RACEWAY ( 4 lane scx/scaley classic /and scaley sport ) i have computer timing . Phil I would say that Dennis would be interested in doing some driving he has been in the game for a long time. i would apprecate his input . As for entering a car i have only box stock car,s so i dont know where thay would fit in i am open for any sugestion and advice

Thanks guys

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Great idea fellas, I like it. I tend to agree with Jamies comments but ultimately, it's up to you guys (Martin and Perro). If we ask for everyones opinion we'll be here all day and no one is ever going to fully agree.

 

Whatever you decide, I'll be happy with.

 

As for the tracks, I don't see a problem with plastic or wood or the length of track. The more varied, the better in my opinion, that way the best OVERALL car should win.

 

And the drivers staying on a lane suggestion is a definite IMHO.

 

Also, I'd offer my track up as a venue as long as we can wait until I have the timing up and running.


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Sounds good so far guys.

 

I have to agree with Davenic, that to make it happen, a couple of guys need to set the rules and then suss out what worked and what didn't later on.

 

I like the idea, but like Slider, I'm not sure of how box stock cars fit into the scheme, but keen to hear ideas. They may also get me moving on a permanent track set up.

 

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Martin: As this is your idea why not just draft some rules and post them on your site. I have found that the more time allowed then just too many options are put forward.

To me some consensus seems to be: Non Magnet,GT cars,rubber tyres and RTR chassis!

Isn't this similar to what you guys did last year?

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What Martin is too modest too mention is that his Non-Mag GT car is currently winning it's class in the Race Across America....

 

Why not use the Rules developed for this race?....They are tried and tested and work very well. A good mix of track surface is essential and you seem to have that sorted.

 

If you want to attract proxy "virgins", why not introduce a "box standard" class as well where original components only are allowed.

 

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Martin: As this is your idea why not just draft some rules and post them on your site. I have found that the more time allowed then just too many options are put forward.

To me some consensus seems to be: Non Magnet,GT cars,rubber tyres and RTR chassis!

Isn't this similar to what you guys did last year?

Phil

Last year the cars were not allowed many mods.

 

For example a Ninco car could only run with engines up to NC5 and had to run standard plastic wheels and gearing. Tyres were free up to general run of the mill Slot.it tyres but as most noticed the old Ninco rubber tyres were best all round tyres.

 

If we could this year maybe allow Slot.it, Ninco, Scalextric style Alumium wheels and gearing it gives people the chance to tinker up to a point. This way we can gradually improve guys set up skills to the point we will have more people interested in running in your proxy races too which take far more setup skill. This won't always give an advantage as plastic wheels are lighter and Joe has proven amoung our group that a well set up plastic wheeled car can be almost unbeatable anyway.

 

With Standard chassis there are a lot of tuning tricks such as lowering the body onto the chassis and even raising the rear axle to lower the car.

 

Motors as Martin says will be limited by the tracks anyway so that won't be too much of an issue.

 

Adding of weight is the main decider in a cars handling and Joe is also the master of this. His cars seem to have the perfect amount of grip versus slide to corner faster than most.

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So far so good beejay in the RAA but Mr Bugz track doesn't suit at all :(

 

I will draft some rules, post them on my site and we can go from there. Vince I am happy with the openness of running what you like. It might help, it might not depending on the track and with a variety of tracks of shapes and sizes, a car that is powerful and geared well at Bo's, might be a little too powerful for my track. Looks like we wil have a few people interested anyway which is great.

 

We should all setup a car as best we can, run the cars at a variety of tracks and learn from it as best we can. Not just from the feedback on our own cars but the feedback from the other cars entered also.

 

Sounds like fun for all.


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Hi guys,

 

Just a quick update to let you kow I havn't got anywhere with this yet. I have my track opening this Saturday night so am a bit busy getting scenery finished.

 

Next week I will get cracking on it.

 

The only thing I would like to get you guys organising is the tracks.

 

How about 2 in Bris/ 2 Syd / 2 Melb and 2 Hobart

 

I'll leave it up to the Syd guys to work out which two, same for Hobart and same for Melb and we will discuss the same up here when I see Perro and others on the weekend.

 

I see Melb as the city most likely to struggle to find two tracks. If davenics is the only one offered then Syd could have 3 rounds as they have the most tracks and members on auslot.

 

Davenic, by the time we get organised and from Bris to Syd to Melb it could be August before your track hosts a round, so no need to panic about timing yet.

 

I would like to keep the tracks to home based tracks if possible.

 

 

Martin

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HI Martin

 

Colyton Raceway will host a round, and I will to jamie and joe as well.

How about a AUSLOT 500 Trans am Race Chev vs Ford Scalextric with the button magnet only in the front for plastic tracks and weight add as well for routed tracks.

We can also let members repaint their cars if they want.

 

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I dont know if I will get many entries from Adelaide, but if you want, you can have a race down here.....With any luck, my track will be finished in time....


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Martin: I will decide on which tracks down here once the class is decided.

I would not run on Rhys's track with Gt cars as it is just too tight. But will have at least 3 others to select from.

Bo: IMHO running only Scalex Trans Ams is a little too restrictive can't see the point it would be like running box stock cars. Not enough scope for tuning.

But running any sort of Trans Am plastic chassied car would be different but the under 2 litres would need to have some sort of handicap applied. Our next serie sdown here will be Trans Ams with the little cars given some bonus lap calculated on their size!

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2006 Auslot GT Proxy Race Web SIte

 

Hi guys,

 

I have put together a web site with the basics for now. The rules page has everything you need to know, please read it before sending off a car.

 

The basics of it are....

Cars to be at my place for the first round in early June as the first round is to be run on the Queens Birthday long weekend.

 

Can those who have listed as tracks for a round please PM me with the following details...

 

Track length (approx will do), track and surface type, longest straight, a description of the track and maybe a couple of photos if they arn't listed on Auslot already.

 

I would like to know if your going to enter a car, doesn't matter at this stage what your entering, I just like to keep a list of who is entered and the others can see also. You can always change your mind later.

 

If the race across america is anything to go by, its a great event for a web based community like this, as for most people it is the only chance they will get to compete with the other members of the board whom they only know by name, comments and photos.

 

If less than 12 cars are entered, I don't see any reason why you can't enter two cars if you want to. Also added a rule that cars can be run at a local round and do not have to be sent to the other tracks. So if Bo and Joe get 10 guys to help out, and only 6 of them have cars entered for the whole event, the other 4 guys can enter a car for that leg of the race if they wanted to. (This is up to the track owner to have final say on this one)

 

Hopefully this will encourage more people to be involved in a small way and maybe send a car off next year after dipping their 'toe in the water', so to speak.

 

In the case of any disputes while the race is on, Vinno, Kalbfellp and I will discuss and decide what is in the best interests of the event.

 

Hopefully many members of this great board will consider entering this event. If your worried about not being good enough, let me just say a well sorted GT car in standard form (Less magent) I will do very well, as we found out last year with the two part proxy race as run by Perro and myself... aka the Geebung Fishing Club.

 

Good luck every one !


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Is everything alright for me to put up a news announcement up on the website portal about this? If so I'll do it when I get home..

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