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It's the middle of winter here, no-one wants to have a round when the shed is -2.

I'll have to start blackmailing a few people. :D


May the downforce be with you.

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Just had our hottest day ever here in the UK. 

Sometimes this planet seems very small, at other times, the opposite side seems like a world away! 

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Now that the racing is over it's time to dissect the top 5 cars.

I'll get out the phone and take videos next weekend.

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I would welcome any information you can gleam on gear ratios used on those leading cars, cheers. 

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Don't think the gearing is an issue as we race on differant  size tracks it,s trying to get a consistant car everywhere

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I can't remember what gearing I'm running but we had a quick look at 32coupe's to see why it was so quick. His gearing is 11/32 so pretty close to standard 3:1. The orange endbell Slot.it motor tested to the max allowed - 23.5 k rpm. It would be interesting to see how many participants motors run to that rpm.

Most of the cars running long can motors are as quick as 32coupe's but none can match his speed into and out of corners.


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Found running a long can which has more torque than the S can the gearing is differant , mostly a 3 to 1 ratio is ok for the S can, for the long can i found better at a 9x  24/25 gearing but again it,s down to tracks  and surface number of the tracks on the series are pretty similar so the results are differant once you get on a track with a longer straight then the fun starts.

The reason ( in my opinion  ) the first 2 cars are always at the top is the consistance in speed and handling , also with motors we have been doing motor checks  on RPM and the older red slot it motor pulls anything from 22k to 24k and that's in a test of 10 motors in various condition used and newish .

However the latest slot it motors are a bit more comcsistant in a test of 5 motors the average was 23.800 the lowest was spot on 23 and the highest was just on 24k all motors were run in and lubed bearings .

Also the tyres and pick up's have to be put into the equasion , crappy braids and rougn tyres will not give you good times , you cannot beat smooth and well planted overall, and don't forget weight distribution work out what percentage you want e,g 60/40 front bias does keep the front quite planted but we all use differant ways with that, hope this helps.

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Tyres...i put on some urethanes this time, but I have no experience of them at all. Next time round, I think I will be going for some G25 rubber!

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BaARacer don't think you can as urethanes are the current tyres for this series, what you can do is true and glue that helps, not sure what surface your setting up on , just remember all tyres operate diffently depending on surface and in this series it,s wood 

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Just for kicks, I may enter this proxy next year. 

If I do, it's likely to be the only proxy I do enter.

Now that the Pandemic lockdowns are over, my attention is refocused on club analogue sprint  racing and oxigen digital endurance racing.

The look on peoples faces when I tell them one of my girls is in NSW fighting it out with the locals. :D Worth it just for that.

Scrapping it out in the mid pack.? Better than I expected.

I'll try to build a car that doesn't require work by the host to make it legal next time.:rolleyes:

AlanW 

 

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Nonfractal, the Dixie car is my wife's entry she nicks me bits then builds a better car than i do , something wrong there , Sandra was a lady slot car racer throughout the 1960's and her motto was join them and beat them chuckle.

The mid pack is where the interesting racing is in any sport just look at F1 , as i have said before it,s consistancy on any track is what's needed , that is what the top 2 or 3 cars have , oh and on the lady front i ran in a team in the late 60,s early 70,s with 2 lady drivers doing endurance 6/12 hour races , Mel would start of as she was quick, i would drive the 4 or 6 hour middle stint as i was consistant , could lap all the time at the same speed , Melanie , Mel's sister did the last stint because she was fast, never underestamate a lady slotter

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Chuckle Paul will have to call it the DTM proxy at this rate , but better wait for him to issue a complete set of rules so we all know which way to go , i have a question about carbon fibre chassis Paul yes or no .

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Must say I originally thought of this as a touring car proxy Aussie style so my Supercheap Holden was entered three times. It was withdrawn this year as I was not previously aware that all tracks had magnetic braid which made some motors illegal.

I agree with Peter Gunn though that DTM cars seem to have taken over. I already have a DTM car almost ready to go (with some help from Sports RAcer) subject to the final rules of course but may enter my re-motored Holden again if still eligible. Can it perhaps include any car that has competed in the Aussie Touring Car series.

Regards Charles Le Breton (charlesx)

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1 hour ago, Peter Gunn said:

Chuckle Paul will have to call it the DTM proxy at this rate , but better wait for him to issue a complete set of rules so we all know which way to go , i have a question about carbon fibre chassis Paul yes or no .

Not just carbon fibre, how about brass, aluminium,  plastic, spring steel etc?

B)

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Charles we had a ATCC proxy race series by David Carter and very good it was to , he was thinking of doing it again so perhaps some of you chaps can find out down under if he is still thinking that way , be good to have it again still have my old Camero and a Escort , as regards chassis i think i can remember unless Paul has changed it you could run any chassis , not sure on that one have to wait on the man himself.

 

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Hi Shaynus.

These are RTR Hard Body cars so I think we should keep to plastic as there is not much you cannot do with this material if allowed in the rules. 3D chassis or the likes of the Slot-it HRS chassis are probably OK but my preference is for original body and matching chassis (with and without modification. No problem with brass, ali, carbon fibre etc. but that is getting into the scratch building area. Another reason to stick to plastic apart from the great range of cars available and growing is that not everybody has the skills, time or interest in modification to that extent. Many commercially built cars are now so good major enhancements are not necessary. If allowed there is also a great range of commercially available up-grade parts if such are allowed. Another reason is many of us are more into racing than building so off-the-shelf items are preferred.

I have competed in many such scratch building proxies including Tasman Cup, VRAA, Sprite in 1/32 and 1/28th, classic sports car. These are great events. They are often for lower powered car say 13000rpm. Some of these events have taken a big hit with covid but they will come back if supported.

One such event that has been postponed until next year now is the Tasman Cup.  I encourage all slotties to look into this and consider entering.

Back to RTR however your Bathurst 1000 proxy is a great example of what can be done with a Scaly car with the minimum amount of modification.

Regards Charles Le Breton (charlesx)

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This proxy allows any material for the chassis as long as you run a commercial plastic or resin body. I do however draw the line at depleted uranium, unless it's half-life is measured in minutes, not centuries.

The intent is for participants to stretch their imagination (and capability) to produce the fastest car possible within the rules.

The only change to the rules will be a list of approved motors so there will be no issue with ones that have too much magnetic affect. The next proxy will be early next year so we have lots of time to debate on which motors to use.

I will probably restrict entry to 18 cars and have a runoff to decide the top 18. With 18 cars it's much easier and quicker to run a round.

Paul

 

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I'll open the debate think a series motor is the way forward so suggest the Slot it 23k S can , reasons are easy to get for all of us, a level playing field, no disagreements as to mag like this year with so many mag type motors around which don't state mag on the can , and we don't have mag masters at $130 to measure it, think most people will have this motor anyway so reduce costs.

Entry of 18 is not a bad idea but i suggest you start from the bottom and work upwards to get your 18 chuckle, can't see the point of  runof as some of the cars we know would be in that range as they are now so waste of time and trouble sending cars for nothing, might as well have a full grid say 25

Not sure about the urethane tyres very hard now to get them in the UK have to import from USA at considerable cost so possibly think about using Slot it tyres or NSR, finally a set of the new rules to be put at the top of the entry page and no mooving away from them, so the rules are the rules.

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Hi Peter.

I would be very happy with such an outcome motor-wise but tyres might be a bit more difficult. More Aussie slotties seem to use urethanes than not and I know Sports Racers likes Yellow Dog urethanes as far as I am aware with MJK being a close second. I am sure somebody would be more than happy to send you whatever you want. Otherwise any rubber tyre would be fine but they do not mix very well. Uurethanes shed a fine dust. Personally I have no problem with the way W.A. have managed as despite reservations it seems to have worked fairly well. It is however a lot of work for organisers.

Will be interesting to see what Sports Racer comes up with. If long cans are not allowed it removes the magnet problem and slotties still have the option of in-line or SW although there is no reason why an AW set-up could not be achieved (probably pointless).

Regards Charles Le Breton (charlesx)

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