lenny broke Posted December 26, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2020 Attention Charlesx Hi Chas, I tried to send you a PM this morning but I got a message saying you can't receive messages. cheers Alan Quote home track club racer Spitfire Raceway forum link https://www.facebook.com/groups/1753319218331240/?ref=bookmarks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubbo Posted December 27, 2020 Report Share Posted December 27, 2020 Hi Lenny, Stubbo will enter a car. #2 please Quote Alan Stubbings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalbfellp Posted December 27, 2020 Report Share Posted December 27, 2020 I cannot see that anyone has answered Peters question from October about T51 Cooper Maserati. That car would not be eligible as it is an GP Cooper Maserati from earlier era. The only 2.5 cars are those from Tasman Series in 1964 and 1965, by that time the T51 Mildren Cooper Maserati had had the motor removed and put into the Renmax. The only T51 running were older cars with FFP motors. Quote Phil https://www.hobartminiaturecarclub.com/ Email Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foowieman Posted December 27, 2020 Report Share Posted December 27, 2020 Hi Alan I am happy to enter a car in the series, details of the car TBA Cheers Mike F Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenny broke Posted December 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2020 (edited) deleted Edited January 7, 2021 by lenny broke Quote home track club racer Spitfire Raceway forum link https://www.facebook.com/groups/1753319218331240/?ref=bookmarks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosco01 Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 19 entrants - looking promising for a full field... frats, Rosco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenny broke Posted December 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 (edited) On 12/27/2020 at 2:19 PM, kalbfellp said: Peter G Posted: Can I get # 10 please? Or (2nd question) is any T51 Cooper eligible? I see that a T51-Climax was entered in both '64 and '65. I might like to enter the T51 shown in my avatar (it's a T51-Maserati). In that case I would ask for # 17. Cheers, Peter Kalbfell P replied: I cannot see that anyone has answered Peters question from October about T51 Cooper Maserati. That car would not be eligible as it is an GP Cooper Maserati from earlier era. The only 2.5 cars are those from Tasman Series in 1964 and 1965, by that time the T51 Mildren Cooper Maserati had had the motor removed and put into the Renmax. The only T51 running were older cars with FFP motors. First of all my apologies for not seeing and responding to peterG's question before now. I haven't been devoting enough time to the Tasman proxy series as i should have been before now. Other outside interests have taken my focus away from the series I'm afraid. Though Phil is correct in what he says,in that the Cooper T51 had raced in the series listed in the rules though not with the Maserati motor. taking that into consideration I think the car is close enough and fits the spirit and intention of the rules. If it had been a model that had not ever raced in the time period it would be a different matter. So I will allow the Cooper T53 Maserati in this year. Cheers, Alan Cheers Alan Edited December 29, 2020 by lenny broke Quote home track club racer Spitfire Raceway forum link https://www.facebook.com/groups/1753319218331240/?ref=bookmarks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterG Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 Hi Phil and Alan, The T51 I am planning to model is actually a 2.89-litre Scuderia Centro Sud car which was bought and raced by Johnny Mansel in the NZ races of 1962 until his fatal crash at Dunedin. So it is pushing the definitions a bit too much I think. The photo in my avatar shows the car just before that crash. I'm going to go with the T79 #10 from Longford (with the 13" wheels). cheers, Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenny broke Posted December 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, PeterG said: Hi Phil and Alan, The T51 I am planning to model is actually a 2.89-litre Scuderia Centro Sud car which was bought and raced by Johnny Mansel in the NZ races of 1962 until his fatal crash at Dunedin. So it is pushing the definitions a bit too much I think. The photo in my avatar shows the car just before that crash. I'm going to go with the T79 #10 from Longford (with the 13" wheels). cheers, Peter Hi Peter, Thanks for that, makes things a bit easier Cheers, Alan Edited December 29, 2020 by lenny broke Quote home track club racer Spitfire Raceway forum link https://www.facebook.com/groups/1753319218331240/?ref=bookmarks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterG Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 (edited) Hi Alan, No worries. I’m not here to incite controversy. By the way, no need to apologise for not replying. You had replied pretty much straight away by message. Maybe sometime we could do a series encompassing the pre-Tasman summer series. It would have to be Formula LIBRE though. Free driveline but period-correct tire sizes. It’s not a great benefit to have a super powerful motor if you can’t get the power to the track. That’s what made those cars so great to watch. Oversteer and 4-wheel drifts (way before some Japanese adolescents began drifting.) I would probably run an Archie Scott Brown Lister Jag! Or a 250F. There really were some beautiful cars running around in the late ‘50s cheers, Peter Edited December 29, 2020 by PeterG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubbo Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 Hi Alan, I can muster up another 3 entrants if that's ok? I'd like to enter a second car and I can get Bunyip and Sainter to each enter a car. Numbers 41 Bunyip. 56 Stubbo 2 66 Sainter If others want to enter we are ok to make way for them. Let me know if it is all OK. Cheers Alan Quote Alan Stubbings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 looking good for a full(ish) grid Good stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenny broke Posted December 31, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2020 (edited) On 12/30/2020 at 9:20 PM, terry said: looking good for a full(ish) grid Good stuff Hi Terry, Yes it is looking good, and here's another 3 to add to the list. I'm also hearing rumours of another two from here in SA Edited January 7, 2021 by lenny broke Quote home track club racer Spitfire Raceway forum link https://www.facebook.com/groups/1753319218331240/?ref=bookmarks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foowieman Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 Hi Alan Foowieman (Mike F) will enter a car, details TBA #69 please cheers Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenny broke Posted January 5, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 (edited) Hi Mike, Thanks for confirming I'll update your details Cheers Alan Edited January 5, 2021 by lenny broke Quote home track club racer Spitfire Raceway forum link https://www.facebook.com/groups/1753319218331240/?ref=bookmarks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenny broke Posted January 5, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 After a question being raised, please note the following amendment to the chassis rule regarding chassis No part of the chassis should be visible when viewed from above, with the exception of an axle tube.(amended 6-1-21) Cheers Alan Quote home track club racer Spitfire Raceway forum link https://www.facebook.com/groups/1753319218331240/?ref=bookmarks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosco01 Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 Thanks Alan... I expect that axle tube also includes suspension etc.... the non-allowed componentry being the main frame or added weight/panels of the chassis. frats, Rosco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesx Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 Hi Lenny. I presume this does not include suspension details which could be attached to chassis. My Brabham BT 3/4 (cannot remember which) has suspension arms front, rear and bottom (top ones and some hydraulic lines are attached to the body), steering arms, suspension springs and rest of hydraulic lines. I appreciate my car is perhaps more detailed than some but I certainly hope suspension detail rules are being upheld as I see this an essential part of building exercise. Regards Chas Le Breton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenny broke Posted January 6, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2021 2 hours ago, rosco01 said: Thanks Alan... I expect that axle tube also includes suspension etc.... the non-allowed componentry being the main frame or added weight/panels of the chassis. Hi Rosco, yes that's correct. There will be a small allowance for open tailed bodied cars that may be difficult to hide those exposed bits. They should be painted matt black. Quote CharlesX said: "I appreciate my car is perhaps more detailed than some but I certainly hope suspension detail rules are being upheld as I see this an essential part of building exercise. " Hi Chaz, Though always strongly encouraged, suspension detail has never been a requirement of the rules. However to be considered for judging for the John Smeadley Constructor's award, front and rear suspension detail will need to be included in the build. "To qualify the chassis must be hand built and include front and rear suspension detail." I hope this clears up your questions, but as ever if you have any please don't hesitate to ask. Cheers Alan Quote home track club racer Spitfire Raceway forum link https://www.facebook.com/groups/1753319218331240/?ref=bookmarks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesx Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 OK thanks Lenny/Alan. Perhaps I was getting mixed up with the old VRAA rules which were much stricter. As long as my detail does not negate eligibility. Not sure what is wrong with my message box and do not seem to be able to access at this end. The old members drop down appear to have disappeared. Regards Chas Le Breton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalbfellp Posted January 10, 2021 Report Share Posted January 10, 2021 The change in rules still needs some clarifying,as the Laser cut chassis ( Peter Gunns) has the suspension lower arms built into the chassis so technically is part of the chassis main frame! Quote Phil https://www.hobartminiaturecarclub.com/ Email Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesx Posted January 10, 2021 Report Share Posted January 10, 2021 Hi Phil - Good point re commercial chassis but is that any different to soldering on the same thing. It is in my opinion still part of the chassis which is why I asked my first question. My recollection was to initially allow simpler/less detailed chassis or chassis kits to encourage new participants. After first year or two however to expect a more sophisticated /more difficult design. I have been entering this proxy for 6-7 years and each car I have built has had a bit more detail. I like to think others would do the same. That's my view for what it is worth anyway. Regards Chas Le Breton (charlesx) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenny broke Posted January 10, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2021 (edited) Ok to appease the pedants among us I have further amended this chassis rule to read...."No part of the main chassis should be visible when viewed from above, with the exception of an axle tube or suspension detail replicating that of the original 1:1 scale model.(amended 11-01-2021) I have to say I am somewhat bemused that after nearly a decade of this series' existence that this issue has come up now. Beardog chassis or similar that have suspension detail incorporated into the chassis have been entered many times before without being questioned. Edited January 10, 2021 by lenny broke Quote home track club racer Spitfire Raceway forum link https://www.facebook.com/groups/1753319218331240/?ref=bookmarks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosco01 Posted January 10, 2021 Report Share Posted January 10, 2021 Too much spare time on entrant's hands, Alan..... it should be put to better use modeling... My 2c frats, Rosco 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubbo Posted January 11, 2021 Report Share Posted January 11, 2021 The original "Spirit of the rule" was that you shouldn't see any of the "chassis" when looking from above. What we meant by that was the things that you should not have seen when looking from above were, the guide, the chassis rails, the motor and the crown (we did make an allowance for cars with the short rear). Suspension items etc. were not included. We also encouraged effort in the driver/cockpit area so that the chassis and motor was not visible through the cockpit. We always hoped to encourage participation by keeping it simple and not discourage people with "rivet counting". 1 Quote Alan Stubbings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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