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Hi Guys

In case you missed it elsewhere Stubbo has had to give up running the Tasman Cup proxy series and has handed it over to me to direct. Thanks to Alan for entrusting me with this. I have some big shoes to fill and hope I can do it justice. This isn't my first attempt at directing a series having done a number of the old Down Under proxy  and OzRally proxy series a few years ago.

At this stage I'm not planning to change much if anything as far as the rules go and have asked all the hosts from last year to be involved again. Sadly John Smeadley (FPR10) passed away earlier this year but the guys who have taken over his track have expressed an interest in running around.

I'll kick things off in October as usual with the release of the rules and regs and start taking entries then for an early March start here in Adelaide and then on around the country from there and then returning to Adelaide for the final round. Hopefully the Covid19 threat will have dissipated by then and we can get back to some sort of normalcy by then.  The exact itinerary is yet to be worked out  I hope but I expect each round to be run at two weekly intervals as in the past, depending on postal delivery timelines.

In the mean time I'll post any news snippets  and keep you up to date on any changes along the way. So get crackin' on those new builds  you've plenty of warning so no excuses you have had enough time.

Cheers ,

Alan

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This does sound promising.

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 I'm not planning to change much if anything as far as the rules go 

I hope you can sort out the specific motor choice issues that dogged a few people last time round.


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Hi Lenny.

Thanks for stepping up. Apart from that I agree with what Munter has said. Was sad to see John S leave us as he had been such a trooper for so long. He will be long remembered.

I know Alan was thinking of letting the little Solabotic motor in again but you may have your own ideas.

Regards Charles Le Breton (charlesx)

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 G'day Lad's

 I've only just started getting things together but I don't intend to change much for the first year. I''m still getting my host team together but I can confirm that John's track will be part of the series and I'm working on some sort of award to remember John with.

I am not a fan of control components, especially in this series, there plenty of opportunity for that in your own club racing. What I will do is make a list of what I think are compatible motors and a choice can be made from that.

That's  all for now but stay tuned for updates.

Cheers Alan

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Thanks Lenny. Will look forward to the rules in due course. I would hope however that whatever they are that all options are available to all entrants.

Better get back to finishing my Aussie V8 for the Touring Car Proxy.

Regards Chas Le Breton (charlesx)

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Nice one Lenny think i might be able to enter a car for it , quite liked the original Tasman series Alan ran , have both motors we ran last time the Tassie and the SRP 18K already in both cars which have both been through a rebuild , more concerned about tyres than motors and the availability post virus, something to look forward to is the return of the Tasman.

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Liking what I’m hearing so far Alan. Can’t wait for 2021. May need to get my little track up and running

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I still have a reasonable supply of the Tasman 1790 motors here.

I do know the SRP 16000 seems to be on the unobtainable list again.

Not sure why you would want the Solarbotics in again Charles, they are not as fast as the SRP  18,000 or the 17900 and many seem to be full of smoke that comes out on a regular interval.


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there is smoke in all motors....who let the smoke out, who? who?

 


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Hi Phil. I just like their small size. Have no idea why they were excluded originally but was it for the same reason? I thought they were pretty much the same as SRP16000 (although different characteristics) or are we now saying the other motors you mention are superior. Despite early results there did nort appear to be a firm favourite last time.

Perhaps I should put my name on one of those Tasman 1790's but I have plenty of 16000's and BWA motors I would prefer to use if Solabotic not eligible. Regards Chas Le Breton

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Charles the main problem with the Solarbotics motors is that their characteristics are so different that they are harder to come to grips with during a proxy race format.

It takes the drivers several laps to get used to them and their lack of brakes. We found that often during the first few laps it often resulted in one or more “OFFs”.

As well they are also not as reliable as the longer can motors.

IMO The best choices are the 16000,18000 SRP and the 1790.They all have similar characteristists.


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Never had reliability issues with the 030 motors. Phil you are the only person I have read having issues. However I do feel that they are too lightweight for a proxy like the Tasman where cars must survive the crashes and harsh treatment by the odd driver .


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I really liked the SRP 16K for my car the 18K is really not that much differant in any department possibly does not brake as well on a long straight as the 16 , and might have just a tad quicker pick up but lap times on my track is roughly the same, the Tassie 1750 only tested it against the others and it,s a mite smoother than the 18 but lap times are similar again so would use either motors as the 16K is now discontinued Charles.

My main ask is how about tyres as i am finding it difficult to get decent rears at the moment so any pointers would be appreciated

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Munter lots of testing and reports on the Solabotics was done in the US some years ago for the VRAA, also Stubbo had two failures during the series. It depends on the gearing,when they are geared to try and keep up with the others seems to be the problem.

That said I have one still going after running 3 club series. 
I will have to check on what the motors cost me a couple of years ago.

Tyres: IMO Eurethanes are the way to go

I make my own so do not have to buy them.

Paul Gage Extremes JB,Stubbo and a few others run them.

MJK make a tyre suitable.

Slot Car Tyres seem to work OK,  I have not tested them myself.

I think RS Slotracing now sell eurethanes.


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when they are geared to try and keep up with the others seems to be the problem.

You might be right...gearing for the shorter motor needs to be different. What gearing was used to cause the failures?

I have found my 030 motor cars geared correctly to be as faster or faster than the 050 powered cars.

The 030 must be allowed to rev out where the 050 motors with greater torque can lug the car along better.

I checked the 2014 Tasman tech sheet and see you used one of the 030 motors yourself, Phil.

The gearing you used wasnt listed but there were others using 9:23 ratios.....that is so wrong for that motor.

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Hi Munter.

I used the Solabotic motor for a couple of years in Tasman Cup until banned. Never had any problem. Also used in SRP sidewinder Bugeye Sprite that I raced in Canada/USA a few years back with no problems. Gearing in Tasman Cup was 9/25 but I think I changed this to 8/25 the following year to improve braking. Car performed quite well. Do not recall what gearing of SRP car was.

Regards Charles Le Breton (charlesx)

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I did and have used Solabotics motors, with reasonable results, but have also seen several drivers not being able to come to grips with the characteristics, both in a Proxy and club racing.

IMO the longer slim can it just more reliable and easier to drive.

I use an 8t pinion , to try and get brakes.

It will be interesting to see what if any rule changes Lenny makes for next year.
Glad it is not my call.


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but have also seen several drivers not being able to come to grips with the characteristics,

I think I would agree with that and also..

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Glad it is not my call.

 

 


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Hi Phil. I used 8:25  at least in second year to improve braking (perhaps even 8:27). Being used to driving Slot-it C without brakes and other cars with little brakes I find the Solabotic very easy to drive.  Depends a bit on track. Long straights followed by a sharp corner could be the exception but a reasonably easy adjustment I would have thought. Best advice I can give for all proxy cars is to not try too hard. Sometimes easier said than done but lots of offs are to be avoided. Like you Phil my cars performed quite well. I was about 7th both years but car was certainly more suited to some tracks than others. Regards Chas Le Breton (charlesx)

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On 6/20/2020 at 7:22 AM, munter said:

others using 9:23 ratios.....that is so wrong for that motor.

Hi John,

So what is a good gearing for 030 motors? I recently bought a few in a batch of interesting motors from an eBay seller in ShenZhen so I’m curious how I should gear them. 

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hi peterg are you looking to get in to the tasman cup i personally don't know this motor but talking to others i have been told 10:23 or 10:24 ratio is the better way to go. but

they told me it's all trial and error. my car has the srp 16 motor with 9.23 or 9. 24 i do not remember what i used. i have used the same setup for at least 2 years all that i have done to the car is new tyres

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The 030 are the Solarbotics size motor with no torque, I don’t know the specs of what you have brought so hard to suggest any gearing.

But start with 8 pinion and then just vary crown from 24 and work up to probably 26.
The Solarbotics rev around 21 or 22 and we gear them around 8/ 24


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I agree that the eight tooth pinion and the twenty four tooth crown is a good starting point for the 030 Solarbotics motor.
The motor needs be able to rev and not be lugging.

No torque.....eh boi???

 

ps I have a few for sale 

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