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Round Five....part 2...at The Muntering Aka The Anaconda


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#1 munter

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Posted 10 July 2018 - 10:14 AM

I have a box of cars on hand.

My usual approach which will be applied here is a shake down run with times recorded and then six minutes of glory for each car with best time and number of laps plus segments recorded.

This may take a few days as I am deep into casting some Monaro shells at the mo.

More when there is more.

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Posted 10 July 2018 - 01:32 PM

Good luck with this round Munter.
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Posted 10 July 2018 - 04:02 PM

Have fun John....

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 06:14 AM

shake down run completed....as some of you may know my track offers some different challenges...mainly two corners with changing camber where a shallow guide causes issues ie deslots= wasted time.

In no particular order...

#
Car
Comment
time

SGS= shallow guide syndrome
BIC=bouncy in corners, tire issues


69
Metro
Smooth, grippy, tippy
7.055

17
Lancia
Very drivable, good balance
6.358

19
Metro
Smooth, grippy but has SGS
6.615

54
Lancia
Fast but has random deslot tendencies
6.516

88
Ford
Fast n smooth
6.141

20
Ford
Front tips
7.060

5
Ford
Smooth and stable
6.787

6
Lancia
Smooth and stable
6.621

4
Ford
Lovin it
6.170

3
Lancia
BIC
6.703

7
Lancia
Lottsa fun
6.369

1
Ford
BIC but holds on, a touch of SGS too
6.656

46
Audi
Smooth and stable
6.539

2
Ford
planted
6.349

62
Audi
BIC but great guide
6.938

27
Ford
easy
6.193

13
Audi
BIC
6.739

11
Ford
BIC
6.428

74
Ford
Smooth, body rocks/tilts
6.522

8
Metro
Drives heavy
6.434

I did write this up in a word table but....
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Posted 11 July 2018 - 11:33 AM

Great start there Munter. You will enjoy driving these cars but remember they are pretty standard Scaly with only rear handout tyres and weight added as you are probably aware. Nothing else is allowed except for slight body/chassis easing and removal of the lights if you wish.. Scaly guides are fairly shallow but usually OK on a wood track if no other car problems.

I note you say my car drives heavy. Do not think my car is the heaviest but it is certainly getting up there. Mainly to minimise tipping - a particular Metro problem.

As with any rally a car build is a bit of a compromise to get consistent performance over a variety of conditions. Going on last year and so far this year the Metro is probably the hardest to get the best out of. The Ford RS200 and the Lancia being the easiest and the Ford RS 200 being a real flyer on some tracks probably including yours. Time will tell.

Sure we will all look forward to a great competition as qualifying and the various stages are completed. Have fun.

Just a suggestion but if you had saved your WORD table as a PDF it would probably have been OK.

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 02:43 PM

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Thank for the tip Charles. I will have to remember that one.
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Posted 11 July 2018 - 04:15 PM

Like the car nice livery and just the right amount of dirt , did think last year the Lancia had the edge on the Ford especially in the early races , but this year seems to be the other way round , have driven a Lancia on a small track and i did find the car didn't like contact at the rear with objects like walls and scenery , the ford was a lot better as regards that suppose it is the shape more compact all round , on the tyre front the MJK's sometimes give to much bite out of tight corners when you power on and the Ford can be a bit tippy because of that , can be aleviated a bit by extra chamfering of the edges of the tyres, one thing i have noticed last year as well as this is the differance in the motor performance , for a dead standard 18k motor they all should be of roughly the same performance as all on the same gearing the only differance is in prep , the tyres by now would all be in a similar condition as regards texture on the track so that should not be a contibuting factor unless people are using very worn tyres at the start of the series .
The straight line speed and overall lap times of the current top 3 is noticably differant to the pack i have 4 scalextric motors i have run in a test car just to see if there is a differance in them and there is not, so i am somewhat perplexed where the extra performance comes from , possibly weight there is a point especially with the Ford where it is to heavy and feels sluggish , and there is also a point where not enough weight can cause the car to roll seems to be a very fine line , guessing it's the same with the others especially the Metro.
I had at one time stopped development work on these cars like differant weight, distribution, balance trying differant guides e.t.c but it has been intriging me so started again with my spare car earlier this year, not sure if this rally will continue next year hope it does as it is currently the only proxy rally around.

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 05:28 PM

The Lancia is bigger and higher in the rear so any contact with the wing or hind quarters must unsettle the car. The Ford is smaller and lower so can sneak by an obstacle however the top cars are the top cars.
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Posted 11 July 2018 - 07:00 PM

Thanks John

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 08:45 AM

Cheers John,
Thanks for the feedback, all v useful.

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 06:01 PM

Now I'm intrigued John,

what kind of higher obstacles are on you to track?
so far we've only see teaser pictures, are there any of the whole track?

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 07:46 PM

Hi Simon...no obstacles on my track I was referring to Phil K's comment somewhere about cars hitting the scenery.

My track is an awkward thing to take a picture of but...
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Posted 12 July 2018 - 10:03 PM

Great test track.. or club track for someone with no friends :lol:

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 11:06 PM

Wow great track, now I see why it has the subtitle Anaconda. It does put me to mind of the 1960s Airfix Mini MonteCarlo set

No overhanging scenery for the Lancias to hit there!

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Posted 13 July 2018 - 05:56 AM

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Great test track.. or club track for someone with no friends
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No overhanging scenery for the Lancias to hit there!
...correct but a car can and does sometimes reach for the floor.
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Posted 13 July 2018 - 09:25 AM

Be great to see a video of one of the cars doing a lap :P
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Posted 13 July 2018 - 03:43 PM

Stage One....15 laps time trial.....something for you guys to think about.....stage two and three to come. Some cars were great at the start but others were just finding their groove when the laps ran out.

Place # Car Time
  • 17 Lancia 98.800
  • 6 Lancia 99.188
  • 46 Audi 99.375
  • 4 Ford 100.512
  • 74 Ford 101.730
  • 27 Ford 102.005
  • 13 Audi 102.093
  • 88 Ford 102.498
  • 7 Lancia 102.697
  • 33 Lancia 102.990
  • 1 Ford 103.331
  • 11 Ford 103.324
  • 8 Metro 103.992
  • 62 Audi 104.414
  • 5 Ford 104.556
  • 19 Metro 104.942
  • 54 Lancia 105.429
  • 2 Ford 107.688
  • 20 Ford 108.920
  • 69 Metro 114.059
This was the pick of the bunch for me
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Posted 13 July 2018 - 04:37 PM

Cheers John,

middle of the pack for me , but at least I'm 1 step in front of Martyn

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Posted 13 July 2018 - 04:44 PM

WOW big gap in the times over 15 laps for some of us

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Posted 13 July 2018 - 05:32 PM

Great start there John/Munter. Interesting to see the Lancias at the front again and well done the Audis in 3rd and 7th.

I thought this might have been another Ford RS200 benefit but clearly not.

Look forward to rest of stages.

Regards Chas Le Breton (charlesx)





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