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#1 Stubbo

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 01:36 PM

In the early 1960’s, discussions between the Association of New Zealand Car Clubs, the Confederation of Australian Motor Sport and representatives of the international promoters in both countries materialized into what became known as the Tasman Cup series of races. This was, in effect, a "minor league" World Racing Drivers' Championship. It had the effect of enhancing the prestige of motor racing in New Zealand and Australia and also stimulated keener competition between New Zealand and Australian drivers in races on both sides of the Tasman Sea.
For the Tasman Cup the points scoring system was similar to the then current system used for the world title. There were eight races, four in each country, although some years Australia only held three races.

This eight-round series created greater public interest in motor racing in this part of the world, particularly as it was conducted during the European off-season.

So, the Tasman Cup Proxy Series will be a 7 race series to be held in from April through to July 2018.

The series is open to cars from the 1961 -65 1.5 litre GP era and for cars that competed in the original Tasman Cup series in 1964 and 1965.
For details of eligible GP cars of the check out the VRAA (Vintage Race Across America). There is a lot of information available there.
For eligible Tasman Cup cars visit www.sergent.com.au which has a wealth of information in relation to the original Tasman Series and details all of the cars that competed in that series.
I will attempt to put together a list of all the eligible cars into a spreadsheet. When it is available it will be posted in a separate thread.
The rules of the Tasman Cup are slightly different to those of the VRAA. Please check carefully.

Please use this thread for your nominations.

Rules for the 2018 Tasman Cup series.

This will start the official entry list, establish the schedule and contain the rules of the 2018 Tasman Cup proxy series. If you want to compete in this year's Tasman Cup, then please read through the following information and confirm your entry with a reply in this thread.

All entry fees need to be paid by the 1st March 2018.

Cars to be in Australia by Friday the 23rd March 2018.

Cars will be returned to their owners at the end of July.

At this stage we will have a 7 race series. The probable schedule is

Round 1, Victoria Mid Late April
Round 2, Tasmania late April/early May
Round 3, Tasmania Mid May
Round 4, New South Wales Late May/early June
Round 5, South Australia Mid June
Round 6, South Australia Late June/early July
Round 7, Victoria, mid July.


2018 Tasman Cup Participants:

The maximum size of the field is limited to 30 cars. A reserve list will be started if there are more than 30 people interested in entering.
Returning entrants will be given priority. All returning entrants must nominate by 15th of January 2018. From that date any entries on the reserve list will be included in the order in which their nomination was received

Entry fee for Australian and NZ entrants will be $25.00AUD. For International Competitors the entry fee will be $30.00AUD. Any surplus money will be allocated to the prize pool.

Any offers of sponsorship or donation of prizes will be greatly appreciated.

When nominating please provide the following information about your car if possible.

Car number, duplicates will NOT be allowed. Returning entrants will have their number reserved for them until the 15th January 2018.

Returning entrants will have first choice on their previous number.

Number 1 is reserved for the previous series winner.

Car make and model.

Resin, Plastic or Fibreglass body.

Chassis type.

Your name, very important. Owners name should be written on the bottom of the chassis.

VRAA cars are eligible

Phil Kalbfell offers a range of resin bodies that are suitable for this series.


Tasman Cup constructors guide lines

Please read the rules carefully. They differ slightly from the VRAA rules.

Cars should be 1/32 scale models of F1 cars from the 1961-65 1.5 litre period. The series is also open to 1/32 scale models of cars that competed in the Tasman Cup in 1964 or 1965.

Only hard bodies (resin, fibreglass, injection moulded plastic, or fabricated plastic) will be allowed.

Reasonable scale appearance and representation of authentic colour/number/driver schemes (but no need to replicate specific cars or drivers; freelance schemes may be used, if period-appropriate).
We would encourage entrants to create their own liveries (in correct period style of course).

Minimum detail would include clear windscreen; driver with head, arms, hands, and partial steering wheel; roll bar; some 3-D engine detail if visible on actual model, exhaust system. Mirrors and suspension detail are required.

Phil Kalbfell offers a range of resin bodies that are suitable for this series.

Chassis may be fabricated using any material or stock manufactured excluding carbon fibre.

3D printed chassis are not permitted.

3D printed motor mounts may be considered.

Wheels, inserts and tyres (see below for limits) should be in keeping with the period.

Tyres:

Rears: 0.80" (20.32mm) minimum diameter, maximum width .276" (7.25mm). at the sidewall
Fronts: 0.75" (19.05mm) minimum diameter, Maximum width 245” {6.25mm). at the sidewall. Front tyres must have a minimum width of 4.75mm at the sidewall.
Rear tyres should have a contact patch of not more than 7mm width, fronts no more than 6mm, where the tyre meets the track at the start of the series. If you are running a 4wd car then the front tyres may be the same size as the rear.

Rubber or urethane tyre compound must be black, no chemicals or oil. No clear paint or polish on front tyres.

Rear tyres may not be slab sided tyres like YellowDogs. All rear tyres must have the sidewall bulge like the rear cars did in the era. The inner sidewall does not have to have the bulge but must be radiused at the tread area.

Motors:

You may choose from one of the following.

BWA FF050,

MRRC SRP-1090 FF-050. This motor is also known as the SRP slim can Power 16

Gears may not be visible from above except as follows.

Some 1:1 cars had shortish bodies at the rear and the bodywork finished close to the rear axle line. If you want to model and enter one of these cars please let me know ASAP and if I can verify the short bodywork I will allow the crown to be exposed.

But please don’t ask me is this legal? Or is that legal? If you want to enter such a car check it out and provide me with the details and hopefully a photo and then I can confirm if it will be OK or not.

I know that some Tasman Brabham's had the short back end.


Dimensions:

Minimum ground clearance 1/16" or .0625", or 1.59 mm except at gear.

Accurate wheelbase (tolerance of +/- 1.5mm).

The cars can only have a max width of 2” or 50.8 mm, sidewall to sidewall.

Guide not to be visible from directly above the car in the straight ahead position.

No traction magnets.

Owners name should be written on the bottom of the chassis.


Race Procedures

Finishing order for each round of the proxy race, and the entire series, will be determined by number of laps and 10ths of laps, within a set amount of time. A minimum of 8 minutes and a maximum of 12 minutes racing time per car, is required at each track.

Each race will be conducted according to procedures chosen by the individual track host. Each car is to be raced in a fair and equal manner, and subject to the same track conditions. Each driver to drive all cars for the same time on the same lane. Lane and driver rotations to be determined by track host.

Track voltage will be 12 volts and will remain equal for all lanes throughout the race.

A running inspection of cars is to be made before and after each race. Cars may be cleaned and lubricated. No penalties for repairs required to keep the cars in the race. This excludes functional tyre and motor changes. If a motor should fail during qualifying or during the race it can be replaced after the race has been completed without penalty. Before repairs to any damage to the body or chassis are made, the track host will discuss with the car owner for repair or return instructions.


Points Scoring.

For each race;

24 Car field
50-44-40-36-34-30-28-26-24-22-18-16-14-12-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1.
24 plus Car field
50-46-43-40-38-36-34-32-30-28-26-24-22-20-18-15-14-13-12-11-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1

Fastest lap of the race will receive a bonus of 2 points.


In the case of a tie a count back system will apply. If two or more cars finish on the same points then the car with the most wins will be declared the winner. If still tied then the most second placings will apply and so on and so on down the finishing order. If after that we still have a tie we will determine which car had faster lap times on the various tracks. If after that we still have a tie then we reckon we will have had a bloody good series.

The Race Directors will have the final decision. Should one of the Race Directors cars be involved in a tie and the finishing order is still in dispute we will seek advice and input from one or more of the track hosts. I could be magnanimous here and say the Race Director will concede. Maybe he will.

Penalties

Please be sure you avoid incurring any.

Late arrivals. Tough. The series will kick off on the scheduled date and if your car is stuck in the mail it will miss any round that it misses. The car will be tech’d on arrival and then sent on to the next practicable venue for inclusion in the remainder of the series.

Any car outside reasonable rule boundaries and with magnetic down force will be sent home.

Any car that requires a tyre change during the series will incur a penalty per set changed.

All costs incurred will be paid by the entrant.

SCHEDULE OF PENALTIES

Late arrival for scrutineering 20 points
Remedying of other non-compliant matters 10 points
Car outside above mechanical rules 10 points per round
Non-compliance other than mechanical 10 points
Tyre change 10 points

Special Awards

Chassis Constructors Award

At the Fulham Park round John Smedley and his helpers will decide the first Chassis Constructors award for the best home built chassis.

1/32 Tasman Cup Proxy Race
Best Home Built Chassis.
Fulham Park Raceway 2018
The best home built chassis.

To qualify the chassis must include the front section of the chassis and suspension along with the rear suspension. A commercial motor bracket and/or rear axle bracket may be used.

1. A commercial rear axle bracket with motor bracket is acceptable.

2. From the rear bracket forward must be of home construction with the materials of brass plate, tube or rod. Piano wire rod can also be used.

3. No commercial motor pods are to be used, for example Slot.it , Policar or 3D printed.

4. All other running gear, the wheels, the body and detail parts can be those available commercially.

5. The constructor must be a person who has entered the Tasman Cup Series in 2017.

6. The car can be entered and owned by a person other than the constructor, however the trophy and prize will go to the constructor.

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 02:03 PM

Hi Stubbo/Alan.

A remark I made when you were talking construction award earlier in year. That is based on rules my Brabham would not comply as it uses the BWA front mount as well as the motor mount.

New rules appear to confirm this (if they have in fact changed). I can rebuild the front of my Brabham if required but is this the intention?

Either way I am happy to confirm my entry to 2018 Tasman Cup - Number 5 Brabham BT4 as driven by Denny Hulme.

Think I told you but car has been repaired (suspension and paint work) and I am currently trialling some different tyres.

Regards Chas Le Breton

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 02:42 PM

I would will be running again Lotus 32B No 9 again.
Not sure about the No 1 car making a return again.
I know that J.B has started a new build with the No 8 Brabham again. He is recovering from Surgery at this time.

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 03:06 PM

I'm in again with #4 please,not sure what yet but I don't think it will be a Cooper. may be a Brabham, maybe a Lola, maybe an Italian
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Posted 11 October 2017 - 05:58 PM

Im in, can I have #10 please, it will be a Brabham 11

Thanks

Edited by terry, 11 October 2017 - 10:17 PM.


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Posted 11 October 2017 - 07:13 PM

Just as well I did not show Lenny the big draw with all the other bodies in it,he would take years to make a choice!

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 09:02 PM

Ok Alan. Iím in again. Will make a new chassis for the Cooper T53. The last one was quite damaged when it came home.

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 10:17 PM

Alan,

Just to confirm my Brabham is a BT11

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 06:14 AM

Just a thought...
It would be nice to see something change maybe tracks or something as it's going to be phil and the grandkids to beat... I would like to enter but it's daunting knowing you guys have done this for so long ...
it needs a change to encourage new builders IMO
I was expecting it to be a race to claim a spot in this proxy...
Ps in the write up it explains how the Tasman came about but it just dawned on me there is no races on any NZ TRACKS which are beautiful tracks.. just my thought I think this proxy needs to think about the future of it for time to come maybe
As I said it's just my thoughts I'm not asking for an argument but I think some people will agree...

The word monotonous comes to mind

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Edited by GAS41T, 12 October 2017 - 06:32 AM.


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Posted 12 October 2017 - 06:49 AM

I,m not in the same class as the top ones in this miles behind in the points for the last 2 years and quite used to being round about 16th , but will get the old Lotus out of the spares box and send 14 to make up the numbers , have to find Innes as well not sure where he went down pub i expect

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 07:44 AM

 GAS41T, on 12 October 2017 - 06:14 AM, said:

Just a thought...
It would be nice to see something change maybe tracks or something as it's going to be phil and the grandkids to beat... I would like to enter but it's daunting knowing you guys have done this for so long ...
it needs a change to encourage new builders IMO
I was expecting it to be a race to claim a spot in this proxy...
Ps in the write up it explains how the Tasman came about but it just dawned on me there is no races on any NZ TRACKS which are beautiful tracks.. just my thought I think this proxy needs to think about the future of it for time to come maybe
As I said it's just my thoughts I'm not asking for an argument but I think some people will agree...

The word monotonous comes to mind

Rossko

Rossko,


The Grandkids first entered in 2013 and came 9th. In 2014 they came 3rd and then they have become winners. It is up to the rest of us to improve to catch them. Just they way they improved their cars and became winners.

And the series has been run six times with four different winners.

We did have a race in NZ in the first series. There is a time issue in getting cars to and from NZ and given that we only have one or two people from NZ interested in this particular class, unfortunately a NZ round in not in the future plans.

The current format of seven races has been successful thus far. Each of the hosts has experience with this particular type of car and every entrant can be confident that if anything should go wrong with their car the host can attend to repairs in a competent way.

If you think the series is monotonous then that is your call. If you don't like the way it is run then you don't have to enter. Entry is not compulsory. That said if you wanted to enter a car, and we hope you do, we would welcome your entry as much as anyone else's.

Cheers

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 08:58 AM

Hi Alan,

I'll definitely be back for another round of this great proxy.
I may be only mid field, but it's a challenge to even be there for me, and I'm really enjoying it.

Any chance of car #90 this year?
Hoping my Porsche will be completed in time...

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 09:01 AM

Having raced some of Rossco Rally cars I am sure if he entered a car builtto the standard of his rally cars it would be very competitive.The grandkids car is a very basic fold up chassis but well put together, and that is the thing that makes it a winner,certainly not the design.

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 03:19 PM

Just a thought have noticed the interest in proxy racing has been steadily dropping of (except for the ips ) and i feel some will fall by the way side , not sure as Rossko thinks it,s monotonous in the case of lack of interest , take Neo in IPS he's been way out in front for a few years now and that proxy is always over subscribed and not heard the word monotonous used in that one, do think the Tasman has a slight problem due to the type of cars not a lot of people love that era of racing unless your mostly of a certain age and still have the building skills and the use of the fingers you once had , some of us use a proprietry chassis as a base but as i am finding adding the suspension details are a big problem with arthritis and burnt fingers trying to make something look right , but i like to be able to support where i can so will have a go with what i,ve got , unlike some i don't expect to be a winner or on the podium , sometimes i,m very lucky and get up there and that is always a added bonus . :)

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 05:10 PM

Hi all.

I think there are plenty of all variety of proxy. Sometimes seems too many but it depends how many you want to enter. Agree some have fallen by the wayside for various reasons - e.g. not enough interest (Last Open Road Proxy) or organisers need a break (VRAA) or time for a change (NZ Canam after 6-7 years) but demand for most is still good and new people are being introduced all the time.

Never ceases to amaze me how many there are and there always seems to be a new one on horizon. This year these include the Touring Car Proxy in Aussie/Canada/USA, Dave Pang's Bugeye Sprite Proxy in Canada/USA, Pre-1976 Sports Car Proxy NZ and ATCC/Bathurst Proxy.

There are plenty of offerings for all concerned so please leave our Tasman Cup alone. For some of us oldies who got interested in motor racing originally from personal experience of these early 1960's events which in Aussie/NZ at least included many 1950's cars they are an absolute must have. Also a fitting tribute to our heroes of old most of who are now deceased (some well before their time).

As for arthritis it has not stopped me yet even if my skill leave is not up to some peoples standard.

Regards Chas Le Breton (charlesx)

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 08:32 PM

Pre 76 Sorts Car proxy in NZ?

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 08:49 PM

View Postkalbfellp, on 11 October 2017 - 07:13 PM, said:

Just as well I did not show Lenny the big draw with all the other bodies in it,he would take years to make a choice!
Phil... I've made a choice but I just like to keep you guessing :) BTW thanks for a top night on my visit recently, say Hi to everyone for me.
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Posted 13 October 2017 - 02:20 PM

Hi Terry.

Contact David Carter on AUSLOT if you are interested. There is plenty of time to enter. You can see rules on ATCC/Bathurst thread. Basically 18000rpm motor, non-podded (or glued tightened up). Two classes - max 54.99mm and 63mm wide. Wide range of chassis options.

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 05:56 PM

Could be some confusion there Terry, Chas.

There is the proxy race Dave West is promoting in Nelson and then Auckland.
Then there is the ATCC?Bathurst proxy race organised by Dave Carter.

Is this a case of two Daves?
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Posted 13 October 2017 - 07:04 PM

Whoops Munter.

Terry- Munter is right. Pre-1976 Sports Car Proxy is in fact starting tis weekend in Nelson. A joint effort with Dave West and Tony Cook I think.

The one I was thinking of was the ATCC/Bathhurst event which obviously is for Bathhurst type cars but limited to 1960-1989 period.Sorry I put you crook Terry.

Think I am suffering proxy fatigue.

Regards Chas Le Breton

PS. See you are already entered Terry,

Edited by charlesx, 13 October 2017 - 07:05 PM.






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