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Bugger off Pete, you wind up.

 

I agree with what you say about there being life in the old dogs yet, I have a few of these old dodderers knocking about and with a decent set of four rims shod with MJKs could do a few more years with them. More than one entry this time had wheels that are getting a bit tired so the reasonably priced alternatives would help prolong their lives. The MJK rims in Gazza's post were absolutely gorgeous looking things. If we went down that route it would be a discussion about reaming (ooh errrr Matron) them out to fit SCX axles, or just go with Slot.it running gear - as Gaz says we'd have to discuss the extra cost.

 

The chicken legs are a pain for some users, they were very close to suffering metal fatigue on several cars. Alexis' pickup/guide solution could work (posted on Auslot a few years back), are there any others out there?

 

Baring those two issues in mind, those who already own some of the eligible cars could have a very cheap entry for next time.


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I'd much rather an all in one option, as the SCX was, or Nincos could potentially be. I'm sorry to all who think otherwise but one you start swapping out this, that and the other thing the price tag to compete goes up experienced people have a very large advantage on both the build and the price. Some of us have fairly serious budgets to deal with.


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Hi folks

 

I think it makes sense to have a 12 months' break whilst formulating and preparing cars for a new era in 2017.

 

I have loads of SCX cars (not all WRC....) and absolutely love the variety of rally cars they have produced. Barbs' and my existing Mitsis could manage probably another 2 or 3 years at a push, but standard SCX wheel rims and guides are the weakest points. Spares aren't plentiful.

 

I am in favour of control motors and tyres - I've been very happy with the MJK tyres.

 

I have my own Slotcarmann Ltd mabuchi S style motors, although they are 26k rpm / 300gsm, but quite a soft power delivery. I and others have used them in classic (pre-60's) race cars happily and I will test one in a rally car and see how it performs. These normally retail at £6.00 each but I could make these available for rather less if they were chosen as the control motor - say £4 each. I am sure there are other options too, like some of the Pendle motors, although they might not be able to do them so cheaply.

 

That would need a base car series of models using a mabuchi motor....what are the options in that respect - Scaley/Ninco? It must be one with good spares availability.

 

My motors can be driven from either end of the can, but would not stretch to 4wd.

 

There is no official UK slot rally championship this year, but we hope to hold a Manx International Slot Rally weekend and invite visiting drivers and proxy cars as well. It wouldn't need much more organisation to hold a few proxy rounds here whilst we have any proxy cars on the Isle of Man. This would not be limited to SCX cars.

 

We will be probably be running the event roughly in line with previous UK Slot Rally rules, but this is not finalised yet: it will be quite soon.

 

There don't seem to be many Ninco, Carrera or SCX current rally models, but there are more Scaley cars.

 

Pendles have some motors at £6.95 each, various specs inc. 16k rpm, also a £4 one giving 18k rpm. So there are several options if we go down the cheap mabuchi motor route. NC1's are rare these days.

 

Why not have a WRC class (26k rpm) and a pre-WRC class (18k rpm)?

 

Cheers

Dave

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26k RPM??? For a rally car?? Errrrmm.... Gazza, how do you fancy trying to deal with 26k on your track?


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One of the main consideration is availability of motors and difficulty in sourcing them.

BWA are very difficult to deal with, so a major retailer(s) is required. I would have thought 18,000 would be plenty of grunt, we do not want to destroy what remains of these cars.

I would like to see a change to Ninco But supply may be a problem.

I would like to see all the present entrants declare just how many SCX cars they already have that could have a good guide, new motor and wheels fitted as this would still be the cheapest option as I think most have several of these sitting around.


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SCX motors are the biggest issue for me...

The only way to get a SCX motor other than a RK-42 is to either, find old stock, or buy an old stock car.

Only a few (I'm looking at you Megane) of their recent releases have had anything but a RK series motor too...

 

Also, whilst I do have ~10 81's, unfortunately, only 1, possibly 2 are actually worth using.

It seems too that most actually seem to perform better in reverse, with at least a 2000rpm difference.

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My 2014 car is the only on that I've run that is no longer usable. Oh, and the first one has been retired to the trophy cabinet. Add in a few C4s that I had as a backup plan in case I couldn't get another Mitsi for 2015, I've probably got 5 in running condition. I ran the same motor across the first 3 series, so I've got fresh motors in most of those.

 

Like you, Phil, I'd be quite happy to see a change to Ninco. They have release quite a lot of classic rally cars prior to winding down their slot car releases, as well as 4WD modern rally cars. I don't have any of the 4WD at all. Ninco prices are still up around the $80 mark, about the same as an MSC.


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The biggest issue with the Ninco's is that Modern rally / 4wd ones seem to be getting scarce new.

I'm fairly certain they have only released 2x classic models (in several liveries) in recent times.

 

I checked most Aussie sites, for modern rally Ninco's, and only found a few, all of which were C4's in 3 different liveries, but that was it.

As for the classics, there were 4 models (037, 911, Sierra, Stratos), in about 4 liveries each...

 

As far as Aussie retailers of rally cars goes, Scaley is the only real common one.

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you are right, i got my 42B from old nascars, not a good idea.

 

i do like the proposal to have a classic rally scalextric. it is low budget and there are plenty of cars around.torana, escort, pug, ...

 

on the other hand, and because lots of us have used the scx wrc for a long time, we can thing about a fix to the serie: different motor (fix motor type and only 4x2) and guide. scalex 18k, pioneer18k, pirahna 21k and orange belt 21.5k are in my mind as possible selection. anybody can glue a motor in the right place and about the guide, if your chicken leg work, no problem, but if not, any other guide and some cut will do.

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So these are all of my SCX rally cars. Basically all of them would be ok to race. Have never tested any of the motors but im sure there would be some decent ones in there. A field of escorts would be nice :) The way I see it there is 4 options here. The current class, the newer WRC cars with the shorter wheel base and the more powerful motors, group B historic and the older classic cars. Been over 2 years since I have brought a rally car so I have no idea how hard things are to purchase. Nincos I have 1 x WRC and 2 x Historic.

 

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Trying to form an opinion I made a cost table to what it costs to modify an SCX car ,here it is:

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It is true that this solution needs some work (modifying the guide post,extending the motor shaft) but If we go for the full monty we reach the cost of a Ninco car but we get a better car rims wise.

 

Either solution (modifying existing SCX,choosing Ninco) is apealing as i have several SCX cars(the 2012 winner is never going to race again,the 2013&14 Subaru is shot,the2015 Skoda needs a new motor and rims,i have another new Subaru but needs rims and motor as i have used them in 2013-2015 cars,Focus,Cordoba,Integrale,Fabia) and 3 or 4 Ninco Lancias 037 and 4 Subarus.What i am not in favor is the Scalextric solution as i have none of the recent ones and i would not buy one as there is no chance racing them locally,i consider the guide a nightmare,and i find them expensive for what they offer.

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All mine are fully operational including my original Proxy car 111 Mitsi Evo 8 , i have 2 more Evo 8's 1 Evo 7 , 2 Citroen C4 types including the current one this years car , 2 Peugeot 307's bought brand new before xmas on Pendal's offer page and with the 81 motor in which really surprised me, they all carry the 81 , yep i admit i rather like the SCX rally car, 2 complete axle sets, for Evo cars picked up on ebay and a few new guides and braids from same place , depending on what happen finally with this could help a couple of people who have problems, i did send Mel a couple of 81's at the start of 2015 rally as spares if anyone needed them not sure if they got used, does anyone else know how the 81 and 81 B perform together on the track , i have run them together and have found not a lot between them a new 81b in the Cosse was a bit slower than the 81 in the evo7 but that 81 is well run in and i guess at it,s best.

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Hi folks

 

I have plenty of serviceable SCX rally cars and plenty of new ones, but lots are classics and not WRC. Barbs' and my Mitsi's from 2015 could still be run, as they seem to be going reasonably well, and I have acquired a few spares, but personally I fancy a change to something different. Ninco's are getting much scarcer these days, but good cars if you can get them: I have a few. There are any number of Scaley rally cars going back over the years, but most of the old ones would need a (un)fair bit of work: I have loads. Fly has produced some lovely rally cars over the years, but I don't like their front-wheel drive ones, as there can be issues with the long drive-shaft: again I have some Fly cars, also Team Slot. I agree that 18k-20k is probably enough for most tracks, although we have a couple here where you could comfortably use a more powerful motor, hence why I offered my soft 26k motor.

 

Keep the ideas coming...!

 

Cheers

Dave

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A little information about Scaly cars that might be useful.

 

Shadow_Rusty and self have run Scaly Ford RS200's in OZ Rally for the last 3 years with some success.

 

SR's with standard 18000rpm motor was a top contender in 2013 but has since had Fly and Mrrc motors fitted and less successful.

 

I fitted mine with Scaly FF050 F1 GP motor from start to get weight low. It has probably been in top third of field for the first 2 years but much improved 2015-2016. Probably getting the weight about right now. As I do not have a track rally cars are a long term project. You try and improve each year.

 

Main problem with many Scaly cars is the magnet holders often protrude well below chassis pan.making clearance difficult or impractical.

 

I did suggest to Phil some slight dispensation for 2015-6 OZ Rally but perhaps I did not explain myself very well. This could also apply to motor-well on some cars.

 

If chassis could be presented flat like many other brands (eg. Ninco and SCX) this would make a lot of great cars a good prospect. Only drawback might be that most are sidewinders but if standard motor or FC-130 equivilant was used would be no problem. My FF050 was a very tight fit - particularly in a car that is a scale width of only 53mm.

 

Hope this is of some help.

 

Regards Chas Le Breton

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I'm against scalextrics....

I have about 15 scx rally cars all with 81 motors

A couple without motors an guides so I'm all for

A motor upgrade with guide and wheels as gazza said, mjk do awesome wheels so I'm for scx upgrade I don't think people want to spend $100-150 to change to a ninco - purchase car then upgrades it will turn people away from entering!!

My car is brand new as you can see my lights work and I haven't even glued anything so it has years left in it but it may go in the trophy cabinet

Ps. I just searched the bay, you can still pick up new scx cars for $50 an the odd bargain for

$20-40 if that helps

My 2bob worth

Rossko

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Hi Rossko.

 

I am keen to continue with SCX cars too although I only have a couple being a fairly recent recruit to rallying.

 

Just expressing what I thought was some helpful advice about an option mentioned by others.

 

See from recent posts there are quite a few past entrants who have large stables of SCX cars. Can appreciate why they would want to continue.

 

Seems some people have made a lot of noise about difficulty in obtaining cars but then ones just like you suggesting the opposite to be the case.

 

I am certainly not interested in proxy following down the same path as OZ Rally car wise. I like the difference although some SCX car have performed very well in AUSLOT.

 

Regards Chas Le Breton

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I havent participated for a while so take my comments in the spirit they were intended. As with Ross comments, upgrade the wheels, gears and motors, then surely any car should be eligible? Ninco, SCX Scaley - what does it matter if they have the same running gear!

 

 

John

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Hi,

Like John I haven't been involved much with this series but I'd like to offer a couple of suggestions for a control package based around the SCX WRC range

 

SRP S-Can Power16 Motor 16000rpm 12v Can & Endbell-Drive 2.0mm x1 $ 14.44 (from Pendle though I'm sure we have a local contact that can source these) Ref: SR181P41600X Similar performance to a SCX RX81??

http://www.pendleslo...e.html?___SID=U

 

Slot it Axle starter kit KK08 - inline 27t- plastic small hubs - $ 22.00 ( from armchair)

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and MJK tyres to suit as supplied by the organisers $?.??

 

I would think you should be able to do a conversion for around $50.

 

Anyway I'll get out the way now.

 

regards

Alan

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Hi Alan,

 

You will find that the SRP16k has significantly less 'power' than the ~16k RX-81, as the RX-81 has at least double the torque.

A better match for performance is the MT/5 (NC2 equivalent) as it's also a 16k motor, but with much better torque.

Also, slot.it and team slot produce adaptors from RX to FK-180, but they will need an axle lock as the shaft will be too short to locate the axle.

 

As Charles has stated, I'm running the SRP16k this year in the OzRally in my RS-200 with the stock 11/36 gearing, and it's one of the 'softest' motors in the fleet.

My Scaley definitely went the best with the original 18k motor, but as the motor ran in, it was definitely getting a little harder to drive.

I know now, that what I should of done, instead of switching to a Fly 18k (Which was a soft 18k, and failed very early on), was instead, change to 10/36 gearing and left the stock 18k motor.

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Hi Rusty

I wasn't sure of the output of that motor hence the ???. I just went for a motor that I thought was similar in performance and easily available for a fairly low cost. If everyone is running the same motor it doesn't really matter which one. If the MT/5 fits that criteria then why not? I know they are popular with some USA based guys but I don't know how easily they can be obtained. Is there only one supplier?

 

One drawback with running FC-130 type motors is the end bell top hits on the standard interior tray, so an FK type motor may be the answer.

Alan

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Hi all.

 

Seems there are two main trains of thought.

 

1. Stay with SCX and perhaps they are not as hard to get as some people say. Think I am ready to go.

2. Second open section where any rally car/brand could be entered perhaps with set motor.

 

Not sure about motors for SCX but RX81 alternative of MT/5 may be only one generally available? None in NZ that I am aware. This might be required if SCX 4WD is to be retained. Can anybody provide comparison MT/5 to RX81. Also RX81B and Double Rally motor whatever it is called.

 

Re MRRC motors they have a great range available - in NZ $12. If 16000 is too soft there are 18000 and 20000 motors too but only single shaft.

 

IDEAs/other comments - Not sure whether it would work on todays motors but back in 60's I pushed the shaft part way through on a 16D and added another shaft in opposite end. It was fitted to a Scaly Aston Martin and went like stink as 4WD. My limited experience with belt drive has been less than satisfactory. My Ninco Subaru retained 4WD for first 2 years but belt came off early in second and has since been abandoned. SCX 4WD appears fairly trouble free.

 

Keep the ideas coming.

 

Regards Chas Le Breton

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At 21.5k, it's most likely the same motor as the MSC / ScaleAuto rally cars.

So, it's a bit fast, but at least it's 4wd, and fits...

http://www.pendleslo...4.html?___SID=U

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Oh, and Chas, the M/T-5 would be a RWD only motor as it's a standard FK-180.

Biggest issue with the M/T-5 is that I'm fairly certain it's only available from Slot Car Corner...

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