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#1 kalbfellp

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Posted 19 November 2014 - 11:36 PM

The spectators gathered to watch the opening round of the 2014/2015 Oz Rally proxy.
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Rusty's Pro Truck was a favorite with the fans.

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Gazza's Bowler 3 wheeled on this down hill turn most laps.

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My X5 BMW was a lot better behaved but not as fast.

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Bens Buggy also was well behaved,only sliding a bit.

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Craigs VWlooked great and handled well, results don't reflect how good this car is.

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GAS41T X5 lacked the grip of the eurethane tyred cars,BUT that may be an advantage in other rounds

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mivesons Buggy at speed bouncing off the gaurd rail

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I built this Lancer for the Grand kids to run, another bad decision,should have kept it for my entry.

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It is over powered with the standard motor,BUT a diode to reduce the voltage has helped.

Now the important bit!

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There was nothing between the first two cars, Rusty's Pro Truck is great, just a little harder to drive on this track,it will be very hard to beat on the faster more open tracks.
The Avant Lancer is good,bit slower than Rusty's BUT easier to drive.
My X5 is just slow lacks the go of the other Ninco's. Mivesons buggy could do with some more development.
Gazza's Bowler has very large diameter, grippy rear tyres and is great to drive thru the flat sections BUT had trouble in both stages with the down hill corners,3 wheeling thru them,looked great BUT causing sone deslots.
Craigs VW Touareg felt good to drive BUT just did not return the times I thought it should.
The last two cars,both running rubber tyres just did not have the grip so bounced off the scenery a lot in all the narrow sections.

The WRC cars are next up ASAP.

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Posted 20 November 2014 - 06:00 AM

Awesome stuff - thanks for the running of the first round for Raid. Is this the first Raid Proxy in Stralia?

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Posted 20 November 2014 - 07:34 AM

I do not own a raid truck but looking forward to running a round at MSP. Might have to source one to use as the course marshal on the day and see if I can whip a few arses :P

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Posted 20 November 2014 - 07:40 AM

Wow, did not expect to be at the pointy end...
Congrats to the 'Kid's on their top spot and Miveson for third...

After much testing, here's what I settled with...

25g of lead split between each side of the chassis, and positioned towards the rear.
Urethane tyres on the rear (thanks Phil, they are working great).
Removed the suspension.
Added spacers to the front axle to centre it.
Glued the bushings in the upper position at the rear, and about the middle at the front (To meet minimum chassis clearance).
Truck was still a little tippy, so I super glued the outside sidewall on the rear tyres.
And for the biggest change, trued all the tyres.

It's actually quicker than my RS200 arround my targa track...
Which isn't really suprising with those powerful long can NC-2 equivelant motors...

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Posted 20 November 2014 - 07:51 AM

View Postkalbfellp, on 19 November 2014 - 11:36 PM, said:

I built this Lancer for the Grand kids to run, another bad decision,should have kept it for my entry.

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Awesome shot with the front wheel in the air... Love it...

ps. All the photo's were great, and looking forward to the next two classes and what you do with them...


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View Postkalbfellp, on 19 November 2014 - 11:36 PM, said:

It is over powered with the standard motor,BUT a diode to reduce the voltage has helped.
Just saw this... Did you put 1 in each direction (in parrallel on the same wire)? If not, you may not get any brakes which could affect it's handling on some tracks.

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Posted 20 November 2014 - 08:01 AM

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Posted 20 November 2014 - 02:03 PM

I didn't think you could get mjk's for the raids
Believe me I would have bought some
Would be good if all raids had uerathane tyres

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Posted 20 November 2014 - 05:15 PM

View PostGAS41T, on 20 November 2014 - 02:03 PM, said:

I didn't think you could get mjk's for the raids

You can't, but i know a bloke that knows a bloke who knows a bloke :D
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Posted 20 November 2014 - 05:30 PM

That's #%<>
My raid won't compete that ain't fun !!
My two other cars a probly going to be the same
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Posted 20 November 2014 - 06:26 PM

GAS, my raid has standard tyres, Avant slot I think, we can have our own competition....... I didn't consider looking into aftermarket tyres as I didn't think it could cope with the extra grip, apparently I was wrong and there is a 1 second per lap difference. Also, I was kind of hoping that the rules would state that the tyres had to have tread showing and that suspension must be kept. A rigid car with slick tyres does not make a raid car, but I can see why the rules are the way they are and happy to run with them.

Thanks for the pics and the feedback Phil, and well done to those at the pointy end.
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Posted 20 November 2014 - 07:11 PM

Thanks phil
Great pics & great feedback
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Yah Ben its on for fooden spoon
Great idea !!
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Posted 20 November 2014 - 10:39 PM

I did notice that Gazza's car appears to have MJK tyres.
Ben you may be right about the extra grip,Gazza's car had way too much grip for this track. Only time will tell what is the best choice.

This year is a "see how we go year" Rules may be modified if we run them next year, might be Ninco only next year!

Rusty re diodes YES a small one piggy backed to provide brakes.Had two in BUT car seemed A BIT SLOW, was the report from the 14 year old test driver!
It suited thisi old block with the two.

For the new entrants this is the Shelmore Rally track.
It is built on one sheet of MDF 2.4 x 1.2.

A couple of corners have had some minor realignment since last year, BUT the scenery is very close to the road in some places.
Surface finish is a combination of Ferrodore,Dulux Suede and Dulux Stone. Timing is via Race Coordinator Via Ardunio board.

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Posted 21 November 2014 - 06:59 PM

The MJK's on the back of my raid are the standard MJK truck tyres, they fitted the Bowler ok, but the wheel diameter of the other raids is a bit smaller and wouldn't fit, that's why the Bowler got a run
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Posted 22 November 2014 - 12:15 AM

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Peter Gunns Celica, neat handling for a Team Slot!
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GAS41T Ninco C4

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Knealer Avant 207 very good car.

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Stubbo's Ninco Focus struggled for grip but fast.

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Charles's Ninco Subaru back for another year, seems better this year very good car.

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AMCC Ninco Pug. Build 3 years ago and never used, BUT after seeing how Stacks went last year inspired the entry.
Build and tuned on this track.

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Mels Ninco C4 needs a wash!

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Gazzas Ninco Focus back again after last years win.Mechanical problems held this car back this round.

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NTZ 's Avant Pug 207 very light,could do with some more weight.

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Alexis's Scalex Subaru good car.

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Cures Ninco Powered SCX Xsara, very good easy to drive,smooth.

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Embers "SWEET" Team Slot Celica back again. Handling just not right for this track.

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Not much to pick from the top 4 cars. Charles car was very fast, two offs in Stage 1 hurt his chance of an outright win.
A few car struggled for grip especially in Stage 1 direction.
Embers car was like a dog going for its nightly walk wanted to cock its leg at most corners, Stubbo struggled for grip But was fast.
Gazzas car did not seem as smooth as last year,BUT found that the rear axle bearing had come out of the pillar block during stage 1, it came out again during stage 2, so now glued back it.
Watch this one more up next few rounds.
Knealers Avant 207 is very good, could possible have a few grams more weight.
The lighter cars all struggled because of the scenery here, the better cars all would bounce off the scenery withour deslotting so could be driven harder.

The Historic car will be run during the weekend.

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Posted 22 November 2014 - 06:35 AM

Thanks Phil. Not really expecting much of a sugar rush from this one. I had another chassis tuned and running sweetly but broke the darned think at the last minute. No, I don't know how. I was going to scratch the car but remembered the old one from the SCM Celica. A swap at the last minute and a single lap of the track to make sure it worked.

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Posted 22 November 2014 - 07:14 AM

When you look at the lap times there is not a bad car in the field! It is that the top few cars were able to be driven on the limit and not falling off.
The more open Victorian tracks may deliver some different results, where the cars can slide about more.

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Posted 22 November 2014 - 07:26 AM

Mmmmmm.......no grip....seem to recall that was the problem last time. Be interested to see how the historic car goes grip wise.

Those Grandkids seem to know how to build a good car!
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Posted 22 November 2014 - 07:40 AM

Thanks for running the round and the positive comments about the car, glad it's running well with the MJKs on the rear. Looks like a varied field of cars which is good and results look close.

Good luck in the next round everyone!
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Posted 22 November 2014 - 07:55 AM

Thanks Phil,great photos and coverage.I expected better from this car lets see what comes next
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Posted 22 November 2014 - 12:52 PM

Stubbo Do you know how old the tyres are?
The ones that were on the kids car had no grip, they were about 12 months old, so I got some new ones from Armchair late October and they are great. I wonder if they loose grip with age?
Had some warm up Laps with the Historics, bad news for your Lancia!
Alexis check out the stage 2 times, much better that direction.
Each stage is 23 laps so to loose 2 or 3 seconds is still very good.

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