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Hi Guys and Girls, this post is to let you all know that the New Zealand CanAm Proxy Series will be back again in 2015.

 

I am still in the process of sorting the final Car Rules and correct Race Dates and that info will be posted as soon as confirmed but below is enough info to get you started with time frames etc.

If you have any queries don’t hesitate to e-mail me at [drw21@vodafone.co.nz]

I will try to answer any question that may arise but please read all of this as most answers can be found there.

 

The 2015 NZ CanAm Poxy Series is open to all CanAm cars that raced in the CanAm series during the period of 1966 to 1974 inclusive.

Eligible cars are defined as those listed as entrants, regardless of whether the car started the race in any of the CanAm races on this web site, and within this link => http://www.racingspo...hip/Can-Am.html

More info on these cars can be found at => http://www.racingspo...Interserie.html http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/canam may also be helpful for CanAm cars.

 

Group 7 CanAm cars that raced in the European INTERSERIE races prior to 1975 will also be permitted to race in the 2015 NZ CanAm Proxy Series as they were in 2014.

(this means cars like the Carrera Lola T222 and other cars will not need to be re-painted to be able to compete in the 2015 NZ CanAm Proxy Series)

 

The Nissan R381 from RMS Resins, the Nissan R382 and the Toyota 7 from Tassie Resin Products will also be permitted to enter as they are also Group 7 CanAm cars.

As with all CanAm cars, they too will need to have correct colours, numbers, engine and wheel detail so that they resemble what ran in CanAm style race at the time to pass the Tech Check.

 

There is a maximum of 6 of each model (irrespective of livery or brand) that can be entered. eg; no more than 6x McLaren M8D cars in the series regardless of brand and livery.

 

New for 2015……

There is a maximum of 24 cars to be entered in the 2015 NZ CanAm Proxy Series, this means the first 24 cars that are officially accepted get to race.

 

At this stage I will only accept 1 car per entrant, only to allow more guys to enter.

If there is room later on, I will open up for double entries to a maximum of two cars per entrant with the proviso that the 2 cars must not be in the same class.

I will keep you all posted this forum about how the entries are progressing and if/when there is room to allow double entries.

 

Once a car has been officially accepted it cannot be exchanged for another car.

 

Entries for the 2015 NZ CanAm Proxy Series will be open from November 1st 2014.

Entries will be closed on March 28 or earlier if a full field of 24 cars has been reached.

 

If a car enters after March 28 then it will incur a late entry penalty.

If a car turns up after March 28 then it will incur a late entry penalty.

 

Entries will only be officially accepted once full payment has been received with entrant’s name and car details.

 

Entry fees for 2015 will be the same as 2014 – NZ15.00, AU15.00, US15.00, EURO12.00 per car.

 

If you are from outside of the Auckland area it would be best to e-mail me [drw21@vodafone.co.nz] for payment details, that way I can keep track much easier, I wouldn’t want any one to miss out.

The entry fee is non refundable once paid.

 

CanAm cars need to get to me for the Tech Check no later than March 28.

That gives you more than 4 months to get your entry fee paid, car ready to race and to me for the Tech Check.

 

Cars can be sent to me for the tech check at any time before 28th March, my address is

Dave West, 8 Vintage Drive, Henderson, Auckland 0612.

 

Cars will be checked as they arrive, if for some reason a car doesn’t pass the Tech Check I will contact the owner via e-mail and go from there.

Once the car passes the Tech Check it will be safely impounded until required for the 1st race.

 

I’m expecting the usual suspects from 2014 will be returning to enter this CanAm Proxy Series as well as others that have entered in previous years might get back on the track would be great.

 

Just like 2014 there will be 8 Races that make up the Series but only the best 7 results will be included for the points tally.

 

Race #1 will be on the Orakei Raceway track the weekend of April 12 with qualifying the previous Tuesday night.

 

Get your CanAm cars ready to race!!!!!!!

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Since I skipped a year, I better get P into G and be first to claim a spot.

 

Best it be a Slot.it McLaren M8D for me, but I would like to keep my livery option open a while.

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Hi drw21 if it is possible would like to join your band of merry men for this series , I would like to enter a Slot it McLaren M8D :) the Vic Elford ara car in the black livery Laguna SECA 1971 .

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Hi Peter Gunn, of course you can join in.

 

It'll be great to have you on the grid.

 

I am in the process of finalizing the car rules as there are some changes from last year.

 

Keep an eye out on this forum as the entries will be open from November 1.

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Hi Alexis, great to hear from you again Mate.

 

Keep an eye out as the car rules will be posted asap and remember that entries will be open from November 1.

 

(did ya find some stickier tires for that yellow 512?)

 

Cheers - Dave.

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Hi Ross, the enties will be open from November 1st so keep an eye out from then.

 

The Slot-it Ferrari 312PB is one of those great Sports cars but it never entered in a CanAm race so sadly the answer is that car is not able to run in the CanAm Proxy, Slot-it McLaren M8D, Chapparal 2E, Alfa 33.....

 

Have a look at the above links to see what did and did not enter a CanAm race and go from there - Dave

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Hi Dave, I'll be returning to the series after a 2-year lapse with an Interserie Porsche 917 (Fly bodyshell). Hope I will be able to get a better start with it than the Group 5 Corvette!!! :rolleyes:


Lim

 

I enjoy racing. Winning or losing is secondary.

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Hi Chenglaw, it would make a nice change to have a 917 in the mix.

 

Would that be a 917-10?

 

Fly make those cars look perfect!!

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/OK, Dave, it's actually a Fly GB Track model of the 1971 Interserie 917/10 Spyder:

 

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The car still has the original GB Track chassis underneath it but it's sustained some damage and is a little dated even though it's podded. So I'll be putting in a fresh scratch-built chassis which I hope will be an improvement over the one in the Corvette.It's got a full interior and driver so that'll save me some time as I won't have to mess around with painting and detailing - just need to concentrate on chassis setup. If I can get started over the next couple of weeks, I may have a chance of finishing it in time - the house is right in the midst of some renovations, so the mess in my workroom is even messier (if that's possible!) and I'm having problems finding a bit of clear work space to put down the stuff required for building the car. Oh well, I suppose that's part of the challenge of indulging in a hobby!

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Lim

 

I enjoy racing. Winning or losing is secondary.

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(did ya find some stickier tires for that yellow 512?)

 

Cheers - Dave.

2014 Ferrari was 512 red,2013 was 250LM yellow and yes both had grip issues but i will never use ortmann tires again

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Hi Dave, put me down for a 1966 Lola T70 (un-podded) please, cheers, Bram

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Cool GUYS but entries are not yet open............

 

It is great to have this amount of interest this early but entries will be open from November 1st.

 

I have increased the number of models from 5 to 6 and put a limit of 1 car per entrant to help make sure no one gets left out.

 

Class B will cater for bigger cars this time, up to 63mm wide plus other limits so Class B has very close racing.

 

I will post the Car Rules asap.

 

Cheers Guys - Dave

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2015 NZ CanAm Proxy Series CAR RULES

 

THE CARS

The 2015 NZPR is open to all CanAm cars that raced in the CanAm series during the period of 1966 to 1974 inclusive.

Eligible cars are defined as those listed as entrants, regardless of whether the car started the race in any of the CanAm races on this web site and within this link => http://www.racingspo...hip/Can-Am.html

More info on these cars can be found at => http://www.racingspo...Interserie.html

 

Back for 2015 => Group 7 CanAm cars that raced in the European INTERSERIE races prior to 1975 will also be permitted to race in the 2014 NZ CanAm Proxy Series.

This means cars like the Carrera Lola T222 and other cars will not need to be re-painted to be able to compete in the 2014 NZ CanAm Proxy Series.

The Nissan R381 from RMS Resins, the Nissan R382 and the Toyota 7 from Tassie Resin Products will also be permitted to enter as they too are Group 7 CanAm cars.

As with all cars, they too will need to have correct colours, numbers, engine and wheel detail so that they resemble what ran in CanAm at the time to pass the “Tech Check”.

There is a maximum of 5 of each model (irrespective of livery or brand) that can be entered. eg; no more than 5x McLaren M8D cars in the series regardless of brand and livery.

 

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/canam may also be helpful for CanAm cars.

 

BODY

CanAm cars must look how they were raced within the time frame of 1966 – 1974 inclusive.

No external alterations to size of wheel arches, wings, or roof line allowed, other than for purposes of “correcting” one RTR model of similar lineage into the correct body characteristics of the actual version which

raced in CanAm (during the period of 1966 to 1974 inclusive) or to replace a material type - eg replace for instance a rigid plastic strut with a “tear-proof” or flexible facsimile to make the body more durable for the series.

Internal material may be removed to facilitate wheel/tire and chassis installation.

 

Resin/Fiberglass bodies of models listed in on the site above shall be allowed.

Any entrant unsure if a chosen body will/can be qualified is welcome to seek advice prior to opening date of entries, but please first check the list of legal cars on the RSC site for yourself and the measurements section. Most queries will be answered by checking these areas.

 

Bodies must be painted to approximate colour of original car, with a reasonable attempt at re-creating the original livery and must have a minimum of 3 racing numbers in the standard positions.

All cars must have all windscreens or other clear parts normal for the model.

The window material must be transparent.

 

The body shall be fitted with 3 dimensional interior consisting of at least a driver (head and shoulders), steering wheel and seats.

Full depth vacuum formed interiors are permitted providing they are of decent quality, ie, not a generic type interior like what you get with a Betta body.

The drivers head must be resin or plastic. If you are unsure then you may send me some photos to confirm.

Thus on all entries a realistic, detailed “cockpit” with painted driver etc is required.

 

NO part of the chassis should be seen through the cockpit/interior.

Vacuum formed bodies are not permitted.

Wheels must be centered in the wheel arch, +/- 1mm.

Bodies to be secured to chassis using mounting screws, or manufacturer’s clipping systems, eg HRS/HRS2.

These may be run “loose” if desired, provided the body does not fall off in racing situations.

The cars shall be reasonable scale representations of the original, approximating 1/32nd scale.

It is recognised that many RTR models are not exactly to scale.

Examples of legal cars which are known to be over-scale would be Slot-it Chaparral 2E, Alfa 33/3. The Vanquish MG range of CanAm cars are massively over scale and are not legal.

 

Based upon the width of the body, entries will be classified as below: Also see specific Class B car rules further below.

Class A - Cars to be a maximum width of 68mm, maximum track front or rear is 68mm

Class B - Cars to have a maximum width of 63mm, maximum track front or rear is 63mm

All cars - Wheelbase to be a maximum of 80mm measured between axle centres.

With the further proviso that the body should not exceed 1/32nd scale in any direction by more than 11% - eg, if we see a 67.9999mm wide Chaparral 2E resin body from “scale resins China” – it’s not going to

pass the tech check….

If you’re unsure if a physical model is legal for size, do some research, and if you still can’t nail it down, ask on forum before finalizing your entry.

 

NOTE: “TRACK” is measured from outside edge of each tyre (total width of the rolling axle/tyres)

 

Chassis

Original RTR chassis if used, should be retained from the guide mount to the front of the rear wheel openings, except for any shaving and sanding for tuning and any alterations performed to move the guide

or to enable fixing of alternate motor mount or pod or for fixing of the body in the chosen entry class.

 

The location of the guide mount may be altered to facilitate better engineering, provided it remains within the normal chassis underneath the bodywork.

Only a single guide somewhere forward of the front axle is permitted.

 

A reasonable amount of plastic may be removed from the area between the wheels to enable the chassis to fit under the body shell on resin/fibreglass cars.

A reasonable amount of material may be removed from the area between the chassis ribs to allow fitment of a motor/axle cradle. Metal motor pods are NOT permitted.

Only the rear wheels may be driven. No front wheel or 4 wheel drive cars permitted.

 

A minimum ground clearance of 1.0mm at initial scrutineering is required for all entries, as measured from the front axle, to the rear of the car, including, chassis, gears, and bodywork.

For remaining rounds, a minimum clearance of 0.5mm as judged on the same basis is required. Any entry not meeting clearance requirements will be run at host’s discretion only, and shall incur a points

penalty at each round it fails to meets clearance standards, as outlined in the penalties schedule.

No metal objects shall be fixed under the chassis (location screws exempt), and these may not protrude below the chassis.

Gears shall not touch the track surface at any time and are subjected to the clearance rule.

No part of the chassis including guide flag shall be visible beyond the body when viewed from directly above.

 

You may use as your base, a podded or non-podded chassis from such as, but not limited to Slot.it, Ninco, MBSlot, or NSR, Racer, Sideways, Scale Auto or graft/engineer an RTR or home made plastic

chassis of podded or non-podded type or graft a pod from one maker into another chassis.

 

Bracing

Plastic or printed circuit board may only be used to brace chassis components.

Metal material is prohibited as chassis bracing with the exception of the following =>

A brass sleeve may be inserted in the guide mount hole to allow fitment of a smaller diameter guide post.

The guide mount may be strengthened with a metal material.

Metal rod, plate or tube bracing may be used between the motor and the rear of the axle/chassis/pod only.

 

Any chassis that may be classed as ‘a working chassis’ is not permitted.

A Chassis that flexes due to flexing plastic is permitted providing there is no built in torsion system.

(suspension systems that hold the motor pod to chassis are fine)

 

Modified and custom chassis must be one piece between the axles apart from motor pods.

This will give entrants a choice as to how much engineering they are willing or able to undertake.

You may then fit any of these chassis types into a legal plastic body, or home made or mass made resin body.

Owner's name must be clearly written or engraved on chassis (not with tape) – instruction of body screw adjustment information on underside of car is encouraged.

Normal format would be [– 1.25 turns] and an arrow pointing to the screw, or “for all”. This is so that your car may be repaired and the body float restored as close as possible to how you set it.

If you don’t give this information ON THE CAR, hosts cannot give you their best efforts.

Free choice of gears, axles, guides, braids and motor lead wire.

 

Wheels/Tires

Wheels and tyres must have the look and ‘feel’ of scale representations.

CanAm cars used 15 inch rims, 16.5mm size wheels will be fine.

Use of the bigger 17.3mm size rims will incur a penalty.

All wheel inserts must represent what were used by cars in CanAm races during the period, any other type of wheel insert will incur a penalty.

NO SILICON TIRES WHAT-SO-EVER.

Tires must be black in colour. Grey or any other colour tires are NOT permitted.

No foam content allowed in the tyres and no ‘space saver’ or Delrin front wheels allowed.

Front wheels must be of scale appearance and in contact with flat surface when tested on a set up board – no tripods and must be the same diameter full width apart from reasonable “profiling” of the edges for a maximum of 1mm either side. Minimum front wheel and tyre width of 7mm = scaled 9 inches on original car.

All rear tyres to be a minimum diameter of 18mm at the start of the series.

Free choice of rear rubber or urethane tyres from the following recognized manufacturers only; being Ninco, NSR, Slot.it (any series except silicon), Racer, Sideways, BRM, Ortmanns, YellowDog urethanes,

MJK, Dart Hobbies, Paul Gauge Tires (E-Bay).

 

Free choice of wheels (plastic, alloy hubs) however ALL hubs must be fitted with 3D wheel inserts replicating the styles of the period the 1:1 car raced in.

Front tyres may be ‘zero grip’ type or have a low friction coating applied such as nail polish, as long as the coating is clear not coloured and is solid and stable, ie, does not leave a residue on the track.

Wheels/tyres must not run outside of the cars bodywork, ie; if the wheels and or tyres can be seen when viewed from above then they are illegal and must be fitted so as to comply with this rule while still

complying with all other rules.

 

Tires shall be cleaned by hosts using only clean plain brown packaging tape to remove physical residues.

If that proves to be insufficient to clean the tires then the ‘official’ rubber cleaner as supplied by the organiser may be used but all cars must be treated with the same cleaner.

Nothing else is to be used to clean the tires.

 

If you are unsure as to what tire to use then I would strongly suggest NSR Super Grip tires. They work very well and last the distance.

 

Magnets

No traction magnets allowed in any shape or form, this means that “magnet motors” such as the MBSlot ‘DoDo’ blue can Avant Slot motor, etc. are prohibited.

A maximum magnetic field down force from the motor magnets of 30grams as measured on a magnet marshal has been set. Any car exceeding 50gms down force at scrutineering shall be excluded from the race.

 

Weight

No ballast may be used on any external chassis or body surface ie; ballast used must be retained within the topside of the chassis. No ballast fitted to the bottom of the chassis.

 

Motors

Any commercially available motors and hybrid motors can be used with the exclusion of ‘rare earth’ magnet and ‘strap’ type motors. Custom made magnets and or armatures are not permitted in this Proxy Series.

 

Class B CanAm Car Rules

 

Class B cars must adhere to all CanAm car rules as well as the following………

Class B cars must be Group 7 CanAm cars – V8 powered, (open top with 2 seats, a true CanAm car)

Class B must weigh at least 70 grams ready to race.

Must be no wider than 63mm.

The guide length (distance from center of guide pivot to center of rear axle) must be less than 90mm.

All cars must use either the stock NSR 20K Shark or the Slot-it 21.5K motor.

Motor must remain sealed. If motor appears to have been opened or tampered with or sounds like it could be more

than a 20K Shark or Slot-it 21.5K motor then that car will be excluded from Class B.

Motor shaft may be shortened for tire or body clearance only.

A small portion of the sticker that is wrapped around the NSR motors may be removed for axle clearance only.

Motors may be glued to chassis but must be in original factory position.

Chassis may be in-line, side winder or angle winder.

Axle bushes may be glued to chassis or motor pod but must be in original factory position.

Front axle locating screws may be fitted but must be in factory screw holes.

If the chassis does not have provisions for such screws, then the chassis may have front axle ‘locators’ added, these must

be made from plastic sheet only.

Chassis may have tape fitted to eliminate shudder.

 

Gear ratio must be between 2.888 and 3.111.

In line 9-26=2.888, 9-27=3.000, 9-28=3.111

Side winder 11-32=2.909, 11-33=3.000, 11-34=3.090

Angle winder 10-29=2.9, 10-30=3.0, 11-32=2.909, 11-34=3.090

 

All of the above will be checked during the Tech Check.

 

The reason for this change is to have more cars in Class B by catering for the mid sized CanAm cars.

Previous smaller Class B cars could be easily adapted for the 2015 Class B Car Rules without too much work by addressing the motor, weight and gear ratio as they would already be within the maximum size.

I would expect to see a well sorted Class B car give any other CanAm car ‘a good run for the money’.

Class B cars will still run in the overall points championship points tally.

 

THE ONUS IS ON THE ENTRANT TO ENSURE THAT THEIR CAR COMPLIES WITH THE RULES

 

Cars to be in for the Tech Check before 28th March 2015

Edited by drw21

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Class B must weigh at least 70 grams ready to race. Hi Dave , just want to check .. 70 grams is that minimum race weight .. can the car weight more without penalty ... or must the car weigh no more than 70grams ?

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Hi GUYS, the best way to tell if the car you want to enter is suitable for the CanAm Proxy is to check this web site……… http://www.racingspo...hip/Can-Am.html

and see if your car actually entered in a CanAm race, unless the box it came with mentions who drove it and in what race etc like the Slot-it CanAm cars do.

 

That web site also has a good search function where you can search the car or find out if that car you have was entered in a CanAm race.

You may have to go thru the CanAm race entry lists of each year to find the information you need to confirm your entry.

 

If you can find that it did enter a CanAm race then you need to also check other things like the paint scheme, the racing number, the driver’s name and the wheel design etc…… as there are so many different looking Porsche 908’s.

This may seem over the top but the CanAm Proxy Series mimics CanAm cars as they raced back in the day so they all need to match what actually raced in a CanAm race within the time frame.

(the Group 5 Proxy is easier as fantasy liveries being allowed but CanAm is for replicas)

 

I’m not too familiar with the Fly Porsche 908 so I can’t tell you off the top of my head if it entered a CanAm race or not.

If you check Wikipedia or google Porsche 908 you get many different looking cars and not all of them may be suitable for CanAm.

 

Do you have a 908 or a 908/2 or a 908/3?

 

I have had a quick look and some Porsche 908/2’s did enter Watkins Glen in 1971 so if your car looks the same as one of those then yep, it should be fine.

 

If the car width is under 63mm and the guide length (see Class B Car Rules) is under 90mm then that car is able to fit in Class B assuming you prepare the rest of the car to suit the other Class B car rules.

 

It is up to the entrant to do this research.

 

A good reason to do some research is the Alfa 33/3 as made by Slot-it.

 

The Alfa 33/3 raced in many races but the CanAm version (#33) had rear body panels, the Targa Floiro Alfa 33/3 did not have any rear body work.

This is a trap and it is very easy to grab the wrong car as not all Alfa 33/3’s were used in CanAm.

 

Quite a few non CanAm cars did race in some CanAm races as the Watkins Glen track raced a Sports Car mini endruo on the Saturday and some of those cars also entered in the CanAm race on the Sunday.

 

I hope this helps every one that is not 100% sure if their car is suitable for the NZ CanAm Proxy Series to be able to work it out.

 

Cheers Guys - Dave

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