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Hawkes Bay Model Racing Club

General thread for discussion of classes, rules, posting upcoming events, classes, results and whatever else we fancy.

CLUB INTRO - needs updating . . . but car tuning and racing is more fun ;)
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SlotsNZ's Photo SlotsNZ 14 Apr 2012

We race 1/32nd scale "hard body" cars at members tracks around Hawkes Bay. All our tracks are routed wooden ones. Most are standard tinned copper braid, and we race without traction magnets.

Clubnight is each Thursday, but members regularly call "my place this saturday/sunday" etc for informal get togethers.
Look under the NZ section of MEMBERS TRACKS of this site to get more pictures, and some video of our tracks
Many of our tracks are wired to run in either direction. Timing on the tracks is computer controlled, and most of our tracks use "TRACKMATE" hardware for race control and timing.

MAC's TRACK 4 lane 95 feet (29 metres)
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CHRIS' NPSR Track 4 Lane - 66 to 77 feet Also used for the NZ Nationals, Enduro racing, and Chris
does some racing of Falcon and Group 12 class metal chassis cars
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MIKE'S Track
Built by one Mike, sold to the other Mike and about to be re-located. 3 lanes - 21 metres
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Mark's Track - That's me 4 lanes, 65 feet - 19.5 metres
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Viv's Track - 3 lanes - 28 metres
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munter's Photo munter 14 Apr 2012

munters track
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SlotsNZ's Photo SlotsNZ 14 Apr 2012

Okay, a discussion starter, to follow on from our casual thoughts Thursday night.
I've tried to summarise subjects that different folk suggested, but have avoided too much detail. The individuals can build on this appetiser.

We had some discussion later in the evening about club classes, rostering, and all sorts of things. It was very positive, but further discussion will undoubtedly throw up differing opinions, preferences and priorities.

Craig G. suggested we could have a natter about it next Thursday night at Viv’s as we will be just messing about for the evening, trying out his new track, which doesn’t have the timing set up yet.
There was no intent to make any decisions next week, just to kick ideas about.

It WOULD be useful for everyone to have a think about which classes of car you really enjoy racing, and which you don’t care so much for – and/or don’t understand. . . . I think we have a lot of grey areas.

I guess some clarity of what classes we want to keep going forward would be useful, so people know what cars to invest in, both money and time, what mods to do, etc.
A corrected list of cars that obviously fit a given class would be useful, so those who don't follow motor racing, especially with a lack of knowledge of motor racing history, can figure out whether a Group C fits in CanAm, Saloon, or F1....... :lol:

The same slot version of a car from 2 different makers, could vary immensely in performance and potential, so we need some way to take that into account.

Both Mac and I have some “house classes” which we willingly share. There may be other house classes that someone may be willing to set up for use at their track or elsewhere.

Also, some track lend themselves better to certain classes than others.
Eg My track is short, so GT, or Mac’s Peugeot 406s etc are a real handful unless we really turn down the volts.
Conversely, Cartrix or Ninco pre 65 on Viv’s track would provide enough time to brew a good cup of tea while the car trundled down the main straight…..
So that is worth thinking about as well.

[At this point munter decides we should run both these classes every time we go to Viv's........ and alters his race case to fit a teapot.]
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Stubbo's Photo Stubbo 14 Apr 2012

 munter, on 14 April 2012 - 06:11 AM, said:

munters track

I quite like your minimalist approach. Very clean.
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SlotsNZ's Photo SlotsNZ 14 Apr 2012

Thought I should add list of classes we currently race, were racing, and are talking about racing.
Have I missed any? Gives a starting point for discussion, "loves, tolerates and vomits"

GT
GT Cars which race in modern GT classes
generally GT1 in the past 10 - 15 years - pretty open slather
nationals and club

Group C
Group C cars which raced in Group C in Europe and USA in the 1980s
racing blueprinted but stock
nationals and club

Muscle Car
Yank Tanks from the 1970s/1980s
fairly open for modification
raced at nationals and at club the same

NASCAR
Modern NASCAR - limited to stock Scalextric side-winder for nationals rules
racing blueprinted but stock, open brand and changed tyres permitted for club

Ninco Pre '65
Classic Pre '65 sports racers. Limited to Ninco only at Nats
plastic hubs, NC1 and NC8 with IG2002 for nationals
more open brand and mods for club

Saloons
Mixed ages and types of saloon, overlaps with some GT as currently done
pretty vague on rules
a wide variation in speed and potential between brands

'65 - 80 sports
Mixed brands & motors, tyres etc
somewhat vague on rules a wide variation in speed and potential between brands

V8 Supercars
Scalextric only
raced stock, blueprinted apart from tyre changes allowed

Cartrix Historic GP
Stock, blueprinted

Scalextric old F1
Stock apart from blueprinting
guide change and tyres

FLY Capri
Changes allowed axle, wheels, tyres

Fly Trucks
Was meant to be stock, but some changed their guide

Spirit Peugeot 406 Silhouette
Allowed tyre change, bracing of pod/chassis

Proposed/possibles
Racer Group 5
rules not defined - (could combine with existing FLY Racing Capri class)

Monogram Stockers - Ford Galaxy, Fairlane, Plymouth, Dodge Charger
Rules not even thought about much
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 Stubbo, on 14 April 2012 - 08:59 AM, said:

 munter, on 14 April 2012 - 06:11 AM, said:

munters track

I quite like your minimalist approach. Very clean.

Yeh I got my inspiration from this one too !
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stargate_SG1's Photo stargate_SG1 15 Apr 2012

 SlotsNZ, on 14 April 2012 - 12:19 PM, said:

Thought I should add list of classes we currently race, were racing, and are talking about racing.
Have I missed any? Gives a starting point for discussion, "loves, tolerates and vomits"

GT
GT Cars which race in modern GT classes
generally GT1 in the past 10 - 15 years - pretty open slather
nationals and club

Group C
Group C cars which raced in Group C in Europe and USA in the 1980s
racing blueprinted but stock
nationals and club

Muscle Car
Yank Tanks from the 1970s/1980s
fairly open for modification
raced at nationals and at club the same

NASCAR
Modern NASCAR - limited to stock Scalextric side-winder for nationals rules
racing blueprinted but stock, open brand and changed tyres permitted for club

Ninco Pre '65
Classic Pre '65 sports racers. Limited to Ninco only at Nats
plastic hubs, NC1 and NC8 with IG2002 for nationals
more open brand and mods for club

Saloons
Mixed ages and types of saloon, overlaps with some GT as currently done
pretty vague on rules
a wide variation in speed and potential between brands

'65 - 80 sports
Mixed brands & motors, tyres etc
somewhat vague on rules a wide variation in speed and potential between brands

V8 Supercars
Scalextric only
raced stock, blueprinted apart from tyre changes allowed

Cartrix Historic GP
Stock, blueprinted

Scalextric old F1
Stock apart from blueprinting
guide change and tyres

FLY Capri
Changes allowed axle, wheels, tyres

Fly Trucks
Was meant to be stock, but some changed their guide

Spirit Peugeot 406 Silhouette
Allowed tyre change, bracing of pod/chassis

Proposed/possibles
Racer Group 5
rules not defined - (could combine with existing FLY Racing Capri class)

Monogram Stockers - Ford Galaxy, Fairlane, Plymouth, Dodge Charger
Rules not even thought about much


i wish, our club has these classes too. it would be very interesting to see a wide variety of cars "racing" to get more enthusiasm from the club racers.
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slotmadmac's Photo slotmadmac 16 Apr 2012

Can't wait to run on Viv's new track. I think it's a given that hosts will pick classes that suit their tracks best.

My 5c on the other stuff:

I think we should run the Nationals classes to nationals rules. The more guys in the club with Nats ready cars, the better. Surely.

I would drop NASCAR from the club roster.

I think the Spirit 406s should run in a class of their own. New tyres. No weight. Rear axle can be braced to motor and chassis trimmed to float. That's it.

I would love to see a FLY classics class. Ultragrip classics. Original tyres and bushings. Original motor and pinion. Slot it 19mm/36 tooth gear. Solid front axle. Chassis float. Interior can be trimmed to allow body float but must be 'full interior'.

When we meet this week I think we should agree some basic rules for the other existing classes.

Anyone else got thoughts?

Mac
Edited by slotmadmac, 16 April 2012 - 06:33 PM.
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slotmadmac's Photo slotmadmac 19 Apr 2012

Just a heads up - I grabbed another bunch of the Spirit Pugs ex UK. Same deal if anyone wants one - or a second one!

Mac
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nvmyre's Photo nvmyre 19 Apr 2012

Does the place where youre buying these have Scaley stuff? Im after 4 Mk1 Escorts or Porsche GT3s in Red, White, Yellow and Blue to set up a house class.
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slotmadmac's Photo slotmadmac 19 Apr 2012

No - but they are easy to get. I do have quite a few of the 'resistant' scalex GT3s. You could paint them.
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nvmyre's Photo nvmyre 21 Apr 2012

Has anyone tried tuning one of these? I can get them for about $60 in Red, White, Blue and Yellow.

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Edited by nvmyre, 21 April 2012 - 12:43 PM.
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kalbfellp's Photo kalbfellp 21 Apr 2012

Best of luck tuning the Renault!
Edited by kalbfellp, 21 April 2012 - 01:34 PM.
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nvmyre's Photo nvmyre 21 Apr 2012

 kalbfellp, on 21 April 2012 - 01:34 PM, said:

Best of luck tuning the Renault!

Is there something inherently wrong with them? Too narrow and/or too tall? Can't be any worse than a Scaley mini right?
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SlotsNZ's Photo SlotsNZ 21 Apr 2012

Are those the FLY ones or Spirit? ( vague memories of who makes them )

Craig - REALLY good to see someone other than a track owner who is willing to put up a "house class" - awesome mate!!
You're better than me at this stuff, but if you are putting them together I'll give you a hand with stuff.

There is a private group in Sydney who race house classes, and at each fortnightly meeting, 3 of the members bring ONE house class of 4 cars to club to race.
That means that every six weeks or so, a member has to have 4 tuned, similar speed cars ready for club..... then the next 2 meetings, all he has to do is turn up, order their pizza and pasta, and dish out a lot of "horse droppings" at other members.

Really cool group !!!!!!! - I got invited to race there one time when I was in town. - (Thanks Geoff, I still remember that night well)
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nvmyre's Photo nvmyre 21 Apr 2012

These are the Fly version. SCX and Spirit both make them but although cheaper, are harder to find and not available in the required colours. The Fly is sidewinder by default. I may order one and tune it before shelling out for the lot. I'm hoping Phil doesn't point out something to put me off as they are starting to grow on me and there are some really cool liveries.
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SlotsNZ's Photo SlotsNZ 21 Apr 2012

If Revell NSU TT can be made to run reasonable, surely these can......
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slotmadmac's Photo slotmadmac 22 Apr 2012

They look good. Fly sidewinders are easy to set up. Possibly only thing with these may be if front track is significantly narrower than rear.

Mac
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nvmyre's Photo nvmyre 27 Apr 2012

A great night of racing at Macs last night, and some bloody good pizza too.
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