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#41 Mohawkk

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Posted 05 December 2010 - 06:37 PM

thanks for running the round Alan
wouldnt of been easy by yourself

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Posted 05 December 2010 - 07:03 PM

Hi All
I've had my nap in front of the Taxi's now.
My comments are made with how the cars went on my track in mind, so they may not be valid for a car at following rounds

As I said before I felt more comfortable with most of the cars running in the opposite direction to stage1 they felt more stable and less inclined to come off, some went faster and other went slower depending on which car.

There were a few things that became obvious how the cars were set up . With the move to narrower cars this year the need to get the centre of gravity down as low as possible played a key part in making the car handle. those that paid attention to that had a good advantage over the others. There were some good cars that went really well up to a point but if you wet beyond that they would fall over unexpectedly. something to look at for future years is getting weight out of the upper body area of those cars and getting the body to sit lower on the chassis on the taller cars. The renault alpines suffered with a narrow track a

Another obvious problem was the guide flag setups on the various cars. the most stable were the ones fitted with the ninco sprung. The scx cars were more vulnerable to deslots, some of them also had problems with electrical contact on the tighter corners that changed elevation.

Here's a quick comment on each car
Mexico 2000. It was tippy and prone to falling over if pushed beyond cruise mode. I tippytoed it around in ST2 with less offs hence the time improvement.
Slittlehales. Another tippy one. the LHR wheel fell off in the warm up laps. I glued it back on and it seemed to pick up the pace a bit, I didn't have to push it as hard to get it to go.
Ember I really wanted to do better with this car, It ran smooth but it would spear out of the slot in the faster corners. I also felt it had a bit too much motor for my track
Phoneo A lack of preparation hampered this car totally, The motor is dead slow which meant that it wouldn't pull the car around the corners and it would trip over itself. because it wouldn't slide around the corners it regularly got hung up on the scenery on the inside of tight bends
Smallnails Very disappointing this car I thought brad could do better . the floppy front axle made it tip which meant that it had to be driven slower which meant that the motor couldn't keep the revs up which it needed to perform.
TazRacer Wasn't able to get anything from this car because of the rear tyres. they sounded like Delrin wheels were fitted. the car scrabbled around spinning wheels everywhere.
ESPSIX another floppy front axle which allowed the wheels to rub on the bodywork.
MunterThis was funny one on stage 1 it would tip over easily but in reverse direction a totally different car though the lap times were slower it was a better car to drive and less deslots. hence the 20 odd sec. improvement in stage times.
Ben Manother car that felt more settled going the other way,thus less deslots.
Yngwieanother nice MKII smooth running but lacking a bit of traction and some overall speed. would tip in the tight hairpin at the top of the hill and deslot.
Manic 35I'm totally mystified what went on here I don't remember anything peculiar in the prologue for this car but when it came to the stages the car had little grip,combined with the rear motor layout made it a taily beast that would deslot regularly.
OTFSHad to driven carefully to get a good performance. I found I could get a run of laps going and if anything varied however slightly it would tip on its side.
Gazza As above, seemed to have a bit more motor than Flipper's
BRK12345 Nice little car that Alpine, had to driven on the lower end of the throttle with the HC setting backed right of and full brakes, over motored for my track. Look out on the Salt pan <_<
Mohawkk a nice little car but hampered by the guide set up I reckon.
Miveson as above
Oldslot another strange one, as soon as it got anywhere near a corner it would flick up on to two wheels and stop.9 times out of ten it would drop back in the slot and continue on to the next corner and repeat the process. it was worse going in revers direction unfortunately, sorry Viv
Mannimal another one that liked it the other way round.
Haystack this car was a problem to start with but after a bit of work it got better, it still chatters around on its back tyres though. the main problem was the miss read lap counts, the only car to do so. We had to do manual timing and lap counts to get a result for this car , thanks Heather for helping here.
Slo1quick A nice car that I thought would finish higher. it handled well but the motor was a bit quick for me in parts of the track.
Jazzbelnicely presented car that suffers from a slow motor. it was hard to get the car up to any sort of speed so meant pushing it harder under breaks and corners. which meant a few more deslots than I would have liked.
AnthonyAnother dud motored car but it just hung on in the corners. I had the throttle hitting the micro-switch constantly in that run but it just kept going around. and it wasn't tippy like the other Healeys
Obsidth nice little car, reasonably quick but it has a fine line between going quick and deslotting.
The stig aonther Kablfell junk box refugee that goes great!!
Devious Dave I reckon this was my favourite car of the round. It had good speed, handled well, changing direction without any fuss and put the power down to the track well.
356SpeedsterI had trouble getting this one up to speed It took a couple of laps to get really going. the motor felt sluggish at the lower end of the throttle. It also slid out a bit in some corners. I think it need a more open track than mine to get it's best.
Phil K This thing has some serious speed and handles surprisingly well for a scalex Torana- lot of weight down low. It spent a lot of time clipping the rear quartes on the scenery but styed in the slot. it tops speed is what caused me some problems and deslots at the end of the straighter bits
Triggy Very Fast and very smooth but its narrow track and weight combined to make it flick out a few too many times.
Lenny Brokewho cares
Tom and Cam what a neat little package this car was! Easy to drive with moderate power, it just circulated without deslot which meant you could get a nice rhythm up and keep going with out interruption. a deserving round winner.
Eno Dog this one is obviously standard kit built up with minimal prep. Strangely I think with some work and an effort to get it compliant iti might have done quite well. :huh2:
My Wife came out at various times through the night with the camera. It's funny bit I reckon that cameras give people tunnel vision. the number of times she stepped in front of me for a pic, just as I was about to start a run was amazing. Got in the way just like to real photo hacks at 1:1 events :D
Thanks for coming out just the same H. love you brazillions
I'm going to have a look through what she did after I've finished here and will post the best ones later tonight.

Ok that's enough waffle from me

Cheers Alan

Edited by lenny broke, 05 December 2010 - 07:39 PM.


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Posted 05 December 2010 - 07:20 PM

Thanks Alan for putting in the time and considerable effort. And for the comprehensive rundown on the cars.

Congratulations Tom & Cam for the Round win. Also to Alan and Stig for the minors.

Phil, can I have a rumage in your junk collection some time?

Sorry the blue buzzbox is such a bitch to drive. Ah well.

Hope you enjoyed a few shandies whilst recovering from the time in the sweat box Alan.
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Posted 05 December 2010 - 07:35 PM

View PostEmber, on Dec 5 2010, 06:50 PM, said:

Thanks Alan for putting in the time and considerable effort. And for the comprehensive rundown on the cars.

Congratulations Tom & Cam for the Round win. Also to Alan and Stig for the minors.

Phil, can I have a rumage in your junk collection some time?

Sorry the blue buzzbox is such a bitch to drive. Ah well.

Hope you enjoyed a few shandies whilst recovering from the time in the sweat box Alan.
I did have a couple of beers today thanks Emb. I nearly choked on one just after I woke up and saw the dancing queen standing on the roof of his car doing his 6 gun routine <_<
It wasn't too bad in the shed last night. we only live 400mtrs from the beach here and when you open up everything and the breeze blows in it quite pleasant.
Its the eyes that get weary after 4-5 hours following those things around :huh2:

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Posted 05 December 2010 - 08:01 PM

Thanks for another great event.

The feedback is highly appreciated and it will be very useful when tuning for the next season.

BTW: "...the breeze blows in it quite pleasant..."? did you not notice the -20 C that's outside!!! ;)


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Posted 05 December 2010 - 08:12 PM

Cheers - was indeed simple - I figure when you have no idea what you're doing THAT isn't the time to be making wholesale changes! ;)

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Posted 05 December 2010 - 08:12 PM

Well no one can doubt Lenny Brokes integrity, driving a FORD to victory on his own track must have caused him great pain, sorry Al, the grandkids are rapped thou. BRK

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Posted 05 December 2010 - 08:27 PM

View Postlenny broke, on Dec 5 2010, 08:03 PM, said:

Haystack this car was a problem to start with but after a bit of work it got better, it still chatters around on its back tyres though. the main problem was the miss read lap counts, the only car to do so. We had to do manual timing and lap counts to get a result for this car , thanks Heather for helping here.

Thanks again for the repairs Alan, congrats to the juniors for a very good showing!

A thought about the lap counting, or lack thereof... most of the underside of that little A110 is dominated by the big shiny boxer can, which may not be ideal for the sensors. Perhaps the judicious application of a BLACK PERMANENT MARKER or similar might give enough body to break the beam?!?

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Posted 05 December 2010 - 08:56 PM

Hi All
Tore no -20 here mate, it got to the Mid thirties here yesterday so would have been nearer 40 in the shed. that's why I did the runs in the evening. So hows the global warming going in your part of the world???? :D

BRK - yes it might have been a Frord but it took a Holden guy to get the result though ;) up ya pipe

Eno - one day you'll do more than a half arsed effort and really surprise your self. ;) and every one else. Would be nice to see

Haystack- I use dead strips on my track and SRM timing Program. Rick seems to think the sensor wires pick up some sort of signal from the motor and triggers a misread. I'm sure if he's lurking he will come in with a boffin's explanation for it all.

I'm off to bed so will post some piccys another night this week.

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Posted 05 December 2010 - 10:00 PM

Good onya Lenny! Just got back home (which fortunately hasn't washed away, yet) from the V8's to find yet another round complete. Thanks for running a great round, sounds like it was a full on weekend for yourself. I had concerns with the my car and its want to tip and it looks like its finally happened, I tried getting weight down low but its still a farily narrow and tall car and im just not that good.

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Posted 05 December 2010 - 10:16 PM

View Postlenny broke, on Dec 5 2010, 11:56 AM, said:

...So hows the global warming going in your part of the world???? :D

The average temp for November has been the lowest since 1919 up here, and December seem to follow the trend. But I guess the politicians will manage to twist this to be a result of the global warming too ;)
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Posted 05 December 2010 - 10:52 PM

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Phil, can I have a rumage in your junk collection some time?
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Posted 05 December 2010 - 10:57 PM

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Phoneo A lack of preparation hampered this car totally, The motor is dead slow which meant that it wouldn't pull the car around the corners and it would trip over itself. because it wouldn't slide around the corners it regularly got hung up on the scenery on the inside of tight bends

Thanks Alan, car left without ever going on a track.... bad mistake althou it seemed ok on the sanding block.

Surprizing thou, I have another motor exactly the same in another car and its a ripper !

Oh well... let the pain continue.
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Posted 06 December 2010 - 08:24 AM

Thanks Alan for a well run round.

Well done also to all you jerks that keep beating me ;)

I've got some consistency, so being in the top half of the field is a good thing, and my aim of top ten for the series seems obtainable from here. I'd much rather have a rally track to set my car up on, regardless of this i suspect the quality of this field is very high, world class perhaps?
I'm happy to see my best lap is competitive, so ease of driving is the next challenge.
Anyway given the mixed feedback on grip my best way to improve is to build a twisty bullring to set my cars up on, I simply don't have anywhere with such tight enough corners to understand the full dynamic package required, yet.
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Posted 06 December 2010 - 08:35 AM

Thanks Alan for another well run round and congratulations to Tom&Cam, Alan and Stig for taking out the important positions.

Thanks also Alan for the detailed feedback. It seems I got the handling right but just need to figure out how to marry that with more power. I know with the NC2 last year in the handling was compromised so a smaller motor is the go. Must find a slightly more powerful NC1 alternative in future.

Anyway I am stoked with a top 10 finish and first Healey home. Shame it won't last.....

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Posted 06 December 2010 - 08:37 AM

Thanx Alan for a very well run round.

Congrats to the top runners and bring on round 4.

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Posted 06 December 2010 - 09:23 AM

View Postlenny broke, on Dec 5 2010, 08:56 PM, said:

Haystack- I use dead strips on my track and SRM timing Program. Rick seems to think the sensor wires pick up some sort of signal from the motor and triggers a misread. I'm sure if he's lurking he will come in with a boffin's explanation for it all.

Alan


The timing box Alan has is a "dead strip" version built by me. It is however very different to the traditional dead strip versions most people run. The timing box that Triggy ran is also a dead strip version, not built by me and is a traditional styled version, and it also suffered from mis-timing with one car. Is it the same car I wonder??? Must be putting out a shite load of electrical noise.

I have also built an opto version and up to just recently it had not mis-timed, thats fitted to Dave's track. However, two very noisy orange endbell slotits did manage to false trigger the timing box. Given that the two cars were false triggering the box when they were nowhere near the opto sensor they musy be spitting out so much electrical noise that some of it is finding its way into the cables running into the box or alternatively the cable running to the PC. Alan, I have made a mod to the opto timing box that Dave has. If those two pesky slotits dont fasle trigger Dave's timing system I'll incorporate the same mod to your box Alan. No charge mate. Personally I think it would be far better to just ban all Tassie cars. ;)
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Posted 06 December 2010 - 11:19 AM

Hi All
The cars are packed and on their way to Yngwie this morning. there were no mechanical issues with the cars. and only one failure -Slittlehales Golf that lost a wheel, since been rectifyed.

Thanks again for letting me play with your toys

Good luck John and enjoy.

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"Is it the same car I wonder???" .
Yes Rick the same car I believe

Edited by lenny broke, 06 December 2010 - 11:20 AM.


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Posted 06 December 2010 - 11:31 AM

at the rate this proxy is going we will have time to run another proxy rally this coming years before the next year one starts
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Posted 06 December 2010 - 12:14 PM

View Postlenny broke, on Dec 6 2010, 11:19 AM, said:

"Is it the same car I wonder???" .
Yes Rick the same car I believe

Yep Haystacks car. Just electrical noise that was randomonly triggering timing hardware.
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