Oz Rally 2010/2011

[356speedster]

I see what you mean BRK, but on the other hand it will always be a car choice since we are limited to stock chassis.

 

For instance the Spirit BMW 2002 has a competitive pod-chassis compared to the front motored Fly Alfa GTV, and the Fly 911s will have to use the stock rear mounted sidewinder chassis since the podded Rally chassis only has been released with the wider SC and 934 bodies.

 

The small narrow cars (<50mm) will also need a lot more preparation to keep up with the big wide cars, but that's just how it is. Those who want a big challenge choose a Mini

 

About clearance: In the SCX proxy we have abandoned the track clearance rule, since this regulate itself. A car that bottoms out will never win anything. The chassis are plastic so there is no risk of shorting out the track if it accidentally should happen, but hosts have the right to disqualify cars they fear might damage the rails/braid/tape.

 

A few questions to Phil:

 

According to Rule #6 I assume it's OK to swap front stub axle's with a solid front axle. But what if you need to sand/modify the front bushing holders a bit to fit other bushings, is that OK?

 

What about sanding the outer chassis edge for better body float? and sanding the inside body shell for tire clearance?

 

 

Tore

Edited August 21, 2010 by 356speedster

[kalbfellp]

According to Rule #6 I assume it's OK to swap front stub axle's with a solid front axle. But what if you need to sand/modify the front bushing holders a bit to fit other bushings, is that OK?

 

Yes

 

What about sanding the outer chassis edge for better body float?

 

Yes

 

and sanding the inside body shell for tire clearance?

Yes Provided the wheel arches are not enlarged on the outside.

[kalbfellp]

Ninco 365 Coupe added to list.

[teamredracing]

Guys ,To me this is all becoming a load of B.S. Lets get down to brass tacks .Its all in the set up of your cars. You set it up to what you think is going to handle each hosts tracks . The track hosts can give any info on their track if anybody is in doubt of the surface ,the bumps in it if there worried about bottoming out ,even to the track surface. Hell there is an abundance of info out there. Yes there has to be rules but if I want to put my car up for the proxy and I find that along the way I've selected the wrong tyres and weighted it up the wrong way and Ive lowered it to a poofeenth of a millimetre to the track and find out that I've come stone motherless last because of my set up ,then its my fault and I've learnt a valuble lesson for next time.

 

All manufacturers are different in there interpretation of 1/32. Christ , thats evident in SCX and Ninco with both width and height . Even the track hosts dont drive exactly the same ,so is this height and width issue really going to make a difference. Just some info on my 934 Porsche which ran in the last Oz proxy and was made ineligble as it had a height problem , it was fixed and after that it ran like a piece of crap. Yet it ran good times on both my track and Gazza's track before leaving for the proxy.

 

The other side of this is that what happens when all the cars are sent off to the hosts tracks and find out that as we've shortened the wheel width and bought up the height they now dont handle at some tracks. The only car I have for this Proxy for the particular years stated is a brand new Fiat 850 (Alitalia) SCX and I'm not sure where your getting your info on the wheel width from but out of the box and it 's wheel width is 57mm. So now do I have to buy an eliglbe car that I may not want to run after this Proxy and it then becomes a shelf queen or virtually re engineer the Fiat to fit the rules , which now I find that it doesnt run as well as it did before the re-fit . Have we said what motors are eligble for a car yet or is it what ever you can fit in it then find out the cars not handling because of the width. Sorry as this to can stirr up another can of worms. I agree with Tore with the clearance , those who have entered lowered cars in previous SCX proxy's (GTO's , BMW M1) ,funny enough had little to no probs with height but with traction with some of the different track surfaces. Mel hit the nail right on the head, KISS. If you want to make it certain year so be it ,Keep the tyres within the guards so be it , other than that ,run what ya brung. My apologies if this is a major bitch but reading the ,what you can and cant do for to a car just to enter it in a Proxy is just mind boggling. As I will not be entering a car, I dont feel it fair to enter my track as If a car looks a little suss when it comes to my turn as a track host ,I would not hesitate in letting it run instead of informing the car owner . This is in no disrespect to you Phil and cant imagine how much time it takes to organize all of this. Anyway have a great Proxy to those entering . I will be following it as it still is a Rally Proxy

Cheers Craig

[Guest jazzbell]

Hi guy's,

 

I've never entered in any kind of proxy event before and this will be my first. I can't see what the fuss would be over rules as every entrant has to build a car to the same rules. Rules are never made to make everyone

happy. Talk of rules should be what is, not what was.

 

regards shane a

 

team thunderbird

[manic35]

Hi guy's,

 

I've never entered in any kind of proxy event before and this will be my first. I can't see what the fuss would be over rules as every entrant has to build a car to the same rules. Rules are never made to make everyone

happy. Talk of rules should be what is, not what was.

 

regards shane a

 

team thunderbird

 

I hear you Shane and agree to a limited extent - For me it's more about having simple practical rules as apposed to complicated confusing ones.

 

I've entered 3 proxy races (only 1 rally) at Auslot because I find things get too complicated. I'm no expert tuner, I just want to participate in the event.

 

Just give me a list of acceptable cars and some straight forward 'practical' rules I can follow...please drop this sanding the under pan of a chassis and changing the diametre of the wheels stuff...(I only add this last request as it seems the issue of ride height may not be set in concrete as yet???)

 

My comments are all said in good spirit and intentions...I'm not having a go at anyone, just giving the perspective of a potential 'run of the mill' entrant.

Edited August 22, 2010 by manic35

[smallnails]

Guys ,To me this is all becoming a load of B.S. Lets get down to brass tacks .Its all in the set up of your cars. You set it up to what you think is going to handle each hosts tracks . The track hosts can give any info on their track if anybody is in doubt of the surface ,the bumps in it if there worried about bottoming out ,even to the track surface. Hell there is an abundance of info out there. Yes there has to be rules but if I want to put my car up for the proxy and I find that along the way I've selected the wrong tyres and weighted it up the wrong way and Ive lowered it to a poofeenth of a millimetre to the track and find out that I've come stone motherless last because of my set up ,then its my fault and I've learnt a valuble lesson for next time.

 

All manufacturers are different in there interpretation of 1/32. Christ , thats evident in SCX and Ninco with both width and height . Even the track hosts dont drive exactly the same ,so is this height and width issue really going to make a difference. Just some info on my 934 Porsche which ran in the last Oz proxy and was made ineligble as it had a height problem , it was fixed and after that it ran like a piece of crap. Yet it ran good times on both my track and Gazza's track before leaving for the proxy.

 

The other side of this is that what happens when all the cars are sent off to the hosts tracks and find out that as we've shortened the wheel width and bought up the height they now dont handle at some tracks. The only car I have for this Proxy for the particular years stated is a brand new Fiat 850 (Alitalia) SCX and I'm not sure where your getting your info on the wheel width from but out of the box and it 's wheel width is 57mm. So now do I have to buy an eliglbe car that I may not want to run after this Proxy and it then becomes a shelf queen or virtually re engineer the Fiat to fit the rules , which now I find that it doesnt run as well as it did before the re-fit . Have we said what motors are eligble for a car yet or is it what ever you can fit in it then find out the cars not handling because of the width. Sorry as this to can stirr up another can of worms. I agree with Tore with the clearance , those who have entered lowered cars in previous SCX proxy's (GTO's , BMW M1) ,funny enough had little to no probs with height but with traction with some of the different track surfaces. Mel hit the nail right on the head, KISS. If you want to make it certain year so be it ,Keep the tyres within the guards so be it , other than that ,run what ya brung. My apologies if this is a major bitch but reading the ,what you can and cant do for to a car just to enter it in a Proxy is just mind boggling. As I will not be entering a car, I dont feel it fair to enter my track as If a car looks a little suss when it comes to my turn as a track host ,I would not hesitate in letting it run instead of informing the car owner . This is in no disrespect to you Phil and cant imagine how much time it takes to organize all of this. Anyway have a great Proxy to those entering . I will be following it as it still is a Rally Proxy

Cheers Craig

 

 

 

Well this HAD been a civil conversation really with no real soap box runs, maybe all the election stuff and then the proxy talk was just all too much for this poor fellow, i do sympathise with you probably more than most with this,

 

The rules are nothing really except guidelines on your car tuning limits, and so far the questions have all been all in the good spirit of proxy racing with no one getting that upset. Its a shame the cars wont make it to your track red!

 

Just keep doing what ya doin phil, as you do it! Those that don't like it don't have to enter........simple really.

[teamredracing]

Jazzbell ,sorry if this seems to a witch hunt ,it wasnt supposed to be just my opinion. As this is your first , there is always going to be opinions on rules. I've just seen this Proxy become more and more rules. Keep to what Phil has written ,set your cars up as best as possible and the very best of luck to you. Hope you do more. To Smallnails I'm sorry you feel that way as this is a forum and after reading yours ,all I read was Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. I wasnt getting upset on the rules, I thought it was just becoming a little to Sheep Station if you get my drift. If I wasnt happy with the rules with the first Proxy Rally I entered then I wouldnt have entered a car or even put my old Rally track and my current track up as round. I was in the very first Oz Proxy Rally and did quite well ,not on podium but happy that my car went the distance. Rules were straight forward and it ran well. All I'm saying is let the guy who enters the Proxy ,even for his first time ,make it easy and simple. The more harder you make it there's a chance he or she may not enter. I have been reading the the post along the way and it was the reason I wrote what I did. We tend to forget we are in this for the fun of it. I enjoy it just so I can set up a car to the best of my abilility to run on your own track if your hosting and even try to remember the tracks from previous Proxy's so you can pick a tyre set up and weight set up that you think may suit the tracks the cars are going too . Thats the fun of it. The learning kerb. Thats why I enter. Now I have to worry on the width of my car as well as the chassis height before I enter it just so it will be eligble to run. And thats before I even put it on my track to set it up. Why? Overall I'm just saying lets not get to technical. This is a fun event that can go on for a long time. IMO

Cheers Craig

Edited August 22, 2010 by teamredracing

[smallnails]

lol....blah blah blah....no stress here tiger.............tis easy is all i am saying.........i guess after being part of a proxy a couple of years ago where the rules ended up being a little vague, people got a little too upset over it, there were plenty of rants over it, sheep stations were being lost daily then!!! So its a natural swing for the rules to go a little bit too far before they come back to being balanced.

 

 

Phil..............just keep doing what ya doing man!

[Ben_M]

Something for everyone

 

Sorry but am I missing something here? I am a newbie to this stuff but as far as I can see not much has changed since last year. All that has changed is the date of eligible cars and a max width which I thought was to get some different cars off the shelf and onto the track. The car that I want to run is under the height limit (well the car moves when I stick a 1.5mm allen key under it ) and it runs like a dog in standard trim on my new track as it bottoms out in a few places. I would hate to have a flatter track and think that the height was ok only to find that its no good on most rally tracks. Having an actual figure gives people something to aim for not just guessing how how high it should be.

 

Lets just get the rules set in concrete ASAP so those that want to play the game can and we can get cracking on our builds.

[first corner crash]

The rules won't worry anyone who builds cars for club racing as they have meausuring experience with calipers and height gauges etc. The height thing has been an issue in the past for inexperienced builders in varied proxies not knowing how to set heights or measure existing ones. 1.6mm is exceptionally high but is perhaps scale accurate in a rally event. For the most part people end up getting it right or close enough. 356 probably had a good idea that self regulating isn't a bad idea and low cars will lose anyhow. Whatever the rules are they are. Just enter under them as they are the same for everyone in any case. My issue is i have never had a rally track to test on and if i couldn't get a wide car to not tip over a narrow one is going to be even harder.

[Ember]

Oh dear! I have been considering entering as a complete total and utter novice. Thought it might be a bit of fun and interest. And it would also save someone who has some modicum of knowledge the embarressment of holding the ladder for the rest of the field.

 

I'd have to buy a car to run because I don't have anything on the elligibility list (Torrie has square wheels and I don't see the Hippy Beetle being readily accepted). Which means it would be anything that happened to be sitting on the bargain bin pages at one of the forum sponsors. Of which, there is currently only one that I've found that makes the list (at least I think it makes the list... I've seen so many lists listed on this thread that I may be a tad confused as to its elligibility). Then there's parts if I'm to swap out/upgrade/adjust anything. Yikes! Doesn't take long for all this stuff to get expensive.

 

I wouldn't know how to adjust the ride height if what I purchased didn't clear that criteria, other than changing the tyres for a higher profile.

 

It's all beginning to sound too hard, confusing and angsty. Guess I'll just run away and let the big boys play.

 

Embs

[manic35]

 

Guys, is the Alpine A310 (1977) going to be an acceptable entry? (I have looked for a width but can't find one...)

Edited August 23, 2010 by manic35

[Ben_M]

Hey Embs,

Dont run away, not everyone bites. The latest list is here and is almost complete so that should clear that up. As for a car, just steer clear of scalextric and you should have half a chance of a good car. SCX cars are good fun and fairly cheap. Ive had a box of spares turn up today with a new set of tyres for mine which will hopefully solve the height issue. On that, I know exactly what you mean about upgrades being $$$. I could have brought a couple of new cars for the same amount of money I just spent on parts......

 

Com'on join us, its all in the name of fun, no really, it is.

[Ember]

Questions, as ever. Is the Seat 850 an acceptable substitute for the Fiat 850 that it was based on? They rallied also. Or is the limitation that they had to rally in Australia in the given period?

[gazza]

Questions, as ever. Is the Seat 850 an acceptable substitute for the Fiat 850 that it was based on? They rallied also. Or is the limitation that they had to rally in Australia in the given period?

It's virtually the same car Ember ..... if one can run, they both can ....... and the list has nothing to do with cars that ran in Oz

[first corner crash]

 

Guys, is the Alpine A310 (1977) going to be an acceptable entry? (I have looked for a width but can't find one...)

 

Manic. there is no measurement given but the chassis is an anglewinder with a long can i think you can give up on it ever going under 55mm track width. SCX did an Alpine i think that is more likely to be scale accurate than the Avant one. The Avant rally cars seem to all be on a very similar chassis and looks like a fairly wide one if you blow up the pic on pendles site where the underneath is shown..

[manic35]

Thanx fcc, I was attracted to it as it's a little different and bound to be the only one entered.

 

I've never had much success in setting up SCX slots to run well so perhaps this is my chance.

 

As a general question for slotters (like myself) with limited rally slot experience and a flat road home track...where should we start? What would be a good car to purchase and generally speaking, how should I set it up? (Motor wise my thoughts would be a unpowerful motor, sub 20K)

[smallnails]

I can measure my avant subaru if it helps..........

[kalbfellp]

looks pretty wide to me!

 

[munter]

looks pretty wide to me!

 

 

 

Looks pretty fast to me

[gazza]

still fugy

 

[manic35]

still fugy

 

lol That's an awesome looking car...

 

I have a rally Fly Porsche 911s but it's low at the front, probably around the 1mm mark or less - will this be an issue?

 

If I can't sort out this height issue I'm thinking about a Ford Escort MK1 or a Fiat 124 Spyder perhaps...

[Mexico 2000]

so BS aside when do we enter this gig????

[oldslot]

DUH

Edited August 26, 2010 by oldslot