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#21 charlesx

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Posted 19 August 2010 - 09:27 AM

Have been reading this thread with interest. Have to ask are some of these cars actually 1/32 scale accurate? This should apply to wheelbase, track etc not just body.

Appreciate there can be a big difference in actual full size cars but have read of some firms taking considerable licence. Apart from that I suppose in real life big cars tend to be heavier and smaller ones lighter and more nimble but that does not necessarily apply to slot cars so perhaps other forms of constraint are justified.

I like the emphasis on trying to get different prototypes racing as in normal rallying field.

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Posted 19 August 2010 - 11:18 AM

Very few 1/32 scale RTR slotcars are true 1/32 scale, so if one wants to organize a proxy based on RTR slotcars you have to accept some degree of "out of scale". Many RTR slotcars are quite close to 1/32 scale, but often a bit too wide.

A few cars are grossly out of scale, but it's quite easy to exclude them. This series have a relatively limited amount of cars to choose from, so making a list of eligible RTR cars is not that much work, and then the organizer can execute his right to include only the cars he wants. A track width limit in addition to a pre-defined list will help to even out the competition and also make it more interesting to choose a car one likes instead of going for the widest body available.

One could go scale crazy, but to include the RTR cars you need a liberal scale rule like maximum 1/30 scale (7% overscale) and that adds too much research work to be worth it compared to the pre-defined car list. In a scratchbuilt proxy with very strict scale rules it would make sense to use a scale rule.

As I see it though ;)

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Posted 19 August 2010 - 11:35 AM

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E. Entries will be limited to 30 cars One entry per person.

I am the organiser by Proxy this year and as that I am trying to maintain the original thoughts OR some of when this event was started by Martin. It was to have a proxy for cars and tracks that did not suit any other sort of proxy and to have a fun event.

This event is trying to be a proxy that even a novice can enter and have some fun and learn from.

3. Chassis
A. The original RTR chassis as fitted to original body of the car must be retained.
B. Traction Magnets are prohibited.
C. No aftermarket or scratch built chassis allowed, plastic or otherwise.
D. Chassis may be braced as required with a non metal material.eg plastic or PCB sheet. Brass, aluminium, steel or any other ferrous metal and carbon fibre are not permitted.
E. No motor pod will be allowed this year unless it is an original fitting.
F. Guide flag mount may be replaced but pivot point must remain as original

So moving the axle mounts is a no no!

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Posted 19 August 2010 - 11:49 AM

Thanks Phil, back to the drawing board!


Oh, and Booooo! ;) Don't you hate it when Brad's right!!!!

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Posted 19 August 2010 - 03:03 PM

lol...i was wrong once i think.........hang on......or was i right once?

Anyways, i was thinking of butchering a car myself anyways.........just gotta find one that fits in the rules and that can give me some good solid handling without to much butchering!!
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Posted 19 August 2010 - 04:40 PM

Hi Guys, is there a modified list of eligible slots yet?

I got super excited when I saw the Fly 911 in the original list but I see it's the widest of the lot.

Anyone know how wide a Fly Alfa Romeo GTV is?

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Posted 19 August 2010 - 05:08 PM

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is there a modified list of eligible slots yet?

Working on it BUT I don't have all the cars on the list here to measure!

I need measuremenys for:

Fly and Auto Art GTV , Scalex TR7,Spirit Golf. If anyone can help?

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Posted 19 August 2010 - 05:39 PM

I think Boss302 has a Fly Racing GTV doesnt he? The spirit golf does fit as we measure that the other night. That would be a challenging car to to get going!!
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Posted 19 August 2010 - 08:59 PM

The Fly Racing Alfa is a modern 156 GTA and not a 60's-80 car.

The 60's-70's Fly Alfa GTV is 54 mm wide

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The flared GTAj / GTAm versions are 57mm but I'm not sure if those versions were used in rallying. AutoArt only makes the GTAm version.

BTW: the Fly GTV's are front motored.

I don't have a TR7, but on pics it looks grossly oversize IMO, correct me if I'm wrong.

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 12:24 AM

The Auto Art Alfa GTV measures 54mm across the rear guards, but work will have to be done on the clearance. Dave.

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 07:32 AM

View Post356speedster, on Aug 19 2010, 08:59 PM, said:

The 60's-70's Fly Alfa GTV is 54 mm wide

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The flared GTAj / GTAm versions are 57mm but I'm not sure if those versions were used in rallying. BTW: the Fly GTV's are front motored.

I have found a few Fly Alfa GTV for sale but none of them are rally liveries (nor do they have a navigator).

Can these non rally liveried Alfas be entered?

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 08:05 AM

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B. The body to be fitted with a 3 dimensional interior consisting of at least a driver and co/driver ( head and shoulders), steering wheel and 2 seats Vac form plastic is acceptable.
No mention of livery having to be rally!

Most of the cars listed have clearance problems, so I intend to alter the rules to allow the bottom of the chassis to be sanded so that the moulded detail can be removed to allow more clearance. Larger diameter rear tyres will still probably be required.

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Posted 21 August 2010 - 09:55 AM

SCX 63860 Talbot Sunbeam Lotus ...... 52mm
SCX 64550 Fiat 850 Abarth ................ 45 mm
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Posted 21 August 2010 - 10:22 AM

What happened to the KISS principle. . . . .
. . . or as long as it has a driver and navigator. :aussie:

If they are too low the car will belly out on some humps or too wide they will pin ball off the scenery (disadvantage to times of relevant cars only)

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Posted 21 August 2010 - 10:51 AM

View PostOntheflipside, on Aug 21 2010, 10:22 AM, said:

What happened to the KISS principle. . . . .
. . . or as long as it has a driver and navigator. :aussie:

If they are too low the car will belly out on some humps or too wide they will pin ball off the scenery (disadvantage to times of relevant cars only)

Flipped!

As a slotter who would just like to be involved, I would also like to see things kept as simple as possible...it would be great to have a list of acceptable slots that you could feel confident in entering.

Be amazing to see some of these classic rally cars included in the lineup from the era;

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Posted 21 August 2010 - 11:16 AM

Well you should have entered last years proxy Manic ...... because this year they're all illegal
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Posted 21 August 2010 - 11:22 AM

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If they are too low the car will belly out on some humps or too wide they will pin ball off the scenery (disadvantage to times of relevant cars only)

Mel you should have raised these thought back when you got the first draft rules.

It is simple now,just no wide cars! :aussie:

Who wants to see this series turn into a Fly Ninco Porsche series. Lets just run some narrow cars that we all have on the shelf and try and have some fun.

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Posted 21 August 2010 - 11:30 AM

According to my brand new X- Slot set up pad these cars don't even make 1.5mm clearance, so there out

Fiat 850
Seat 850
Talbot sunbeam
Escort
Alpine 110
Cortina
Porsche 911 (Fly)
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Posted 21 August 2010 - 11:33 AM

It wouldn't be just Porsches, I was looking at this beautiful Alpine A310 (1977) from Avant (which is probably too wide looking at the pics)

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Posted 21 August 2010 - 11:37 AM

It's a toss up as to whether Renault or Citroen build the worlds ugliest cars ......... i think Renault wins
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