schuey19 Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 (edited) Some of you may have seen a thread on SCI about issues that I am having with my UR3.0 setup. Lap timing itself works fine, but I cannot get a second parallel port to work so as to enable refuelling. It wont even work when its is wired to the motherboard COM1 port. Extremely frustrating not only to myself, but to another forum member who has kindly donated a lot of his time to help yet to no avail.... (thanks yngwie, much appreciated) Am wondering if there are any other members out there who have successfully connected a second parallel port or even the COM port to enable more than 5 input sensors. Shane Lott you managed 8, how?? For sanity's sake, (mine and John's) Michael Edited February 6, 2010 by schuey19 Quote My Track- Design and Start of Build My Track- Early Construction My Track- Almost There My Track- Finishing Touches (Current Thread) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 Hi Michael, it's sort of a relief to hear you are also having problems! I have finally this evening successfully managed a second LPT port. The problem I was having was that I had presumed the second port would appear as LPT2, when in fact I eventually discovered (with some help from the computer genius son-in-law) that it was LPT3 !! The problem I am now having with refueling is that refueling is always ON - the car never runs out of gas! It is only when I park over the sensor that the refueling stops. This does not change when I check the 'invert' box in the hardware setup. I don't know if this is any help, but it's good to share... Count Quote Pretzel Logic Raceway Ask not what MDF can do to you, rather ask what you can do to MDF! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schuey19 Posted February 7, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 Count mine's not recognising any port except for LPT1, that's my issue. Whether the second parallel is configured as LPT2 or 3, it doesn't work, nor does it work when I wire it for COM1. This is on two PC's!! I am supposed to have you guys coming for a friday event in early April, so I have a bit of time, but this has been going on for too long. I had refuel sensors in the original track configuration also and they wouldn't work back then either, and that was on the original PC that I had for timing, so that's actually three PC's that I can't get to work!!! Quote My Track- Design and Start of Build My Track- Early Construction My Track- Almost There My Track- Finishing Touches (Current Thread) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gzminiz Posted February 7, 2010 Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 Maybe try a webcam? Or a phidget? I know more cost and u shouldn't have too. Eventually I am switching to a phidget. Quote The Duke - 2nd Routed Track Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schuey19 Posted February 7, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 Maybe try a webcam? Or a phidget? I know more cost and u shouldn't have too. My point exactly! I shouldn't have too. Others seem to have been able to make it work, why is mine so different, or what am I doing differently. Quote My Track- Design and Start of Build My Track- Early Construction My Track- Almost There My Track- Finishing Touches (Current Thread) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulsara Posted February 7, 2010 Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 (edited) You and John have, of course, swapped the cables over etc. Sometimes the most obvious things are overlooked. I know John is in IT and I don't want to tread on his toes. I was also in IT for 25 years before the guys in the white coats dragged me away. The fact that it has happened with 3 different PC's sounds like a hardware problem (downstream from the PC of course) or a software issue. Have you tried reloading the software with everything connected? Can you utilise a USB port using an adaptor? Can you hit it with a large hammer to see if it wakes up? (Always been my preferred method with delicate equipment). Best of luck. Edited February 7, 2010 by Bulsara Quote Gort, Klaatu barada nikto. My poor Krell! After a million years of shining sanity... they could hardly have understood what power was destroying them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yngwie Posted February 7, 2010 Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 The strange thing is that LPT2 (2nd parallel port) is actually detected in WIndows. UR3 also sees it but its state is always on. ie. the lights on the port are lit up. What we were going to try was to hook up a parallel based printer and try and print from both parallel ports. Had a go at that yet Michael? If you are going to Joes on Saturday night I can bing along a spare pinter for you to try? Regards John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulsara Posted February 7, 2010 Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 (edited) Have you tried disabling all virus and/or malware programs if they are installed. Have you tried booting into safe mode and only loading the drivers you need. What about I/O or IRQ conflicts. Still thinking. Edited February 8, 2010 by Bulsara Quote Gort, Klaatu barada nikto. My poor Krell! After a million years of shining sanity... they could hardly have understood what power was destroying them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schuey19 Posted February 8, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 You and John have, of course, swapped the cables over etc. Sometimes the most obvious things are overlooked. I know John is in IT and I don't want to tread on his toes. I was also in IT for 25 years before the guys in the white coats dragged me away. The fact that it has happened with 3 different PC's sounds like a hardware problem (downstream from the PC of course) or a software issue. Have you tried reloading the software with everything connected? Can you utilise a USB port using an adaptor? Can you hit it with a large hammer to see if it wakes up? (Always been my preferred method with delicate equipment). Best of luck. When either cable (both are identically wired) is in LPT1 and configured for lap counting or fuel, they work fine. Its not a harness issue. Is that what you meant by a downstream hardware issue? The strange thing is that LPT2 (2nd parallel port) is actually detected in WIndows. UR3 also sees it but its state is always on. ie. the lights on the port are lit up. What we were going to try was to hook up a parallel based printer and try and print from both parallel ports. Had a go at that yet Michael? If you are going to Joes on Saturday night I can bing along a spare pinter for you to try? Regards John No and no unfortunately, I remembered as you drove out the street the other day, I have the second day of a three Saturday DOCS course that I will be at. Still haven't found a parallel printer, so if you do have one, I will try and get it off you for testing purposes. Michael Quote My Track- Design and Start of Build My Track- Early Construction My Track- Almost There My Track- Finishing Touches (Current Thread) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yngwie Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 What if I bring it on Saturday and give to one of the guys that lives closest to you (maybe Vince) and then you could pick it up off of them? Regards John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schuey19 Posted February 8, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 What if I bring it on Saturday and give to one of the guys that lives closest to you (maybe Vince) and then you could pick it up off of them? Regards John That would help a million times over, thanks! Quote My Track- Design and Start of Build My Track- Early Construction My Track- Almost There My Track- Finishing Touches (Current Thread) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulsara Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 (edited) You and John have, of course, swapped the cables over etc. Sometimes the most obvious things are overlooked. I know John is in IT and I don't want to tread on his toes. I was also in IT for 25 years before the guys in the white coats dragged me away. The fact that it has happened with 3 different PC's sounds like a hardware problem (downstream from the PC of course) or a software issue. Have you tried reloading the software with everything connected? Can you utilise a USB port using an adaptor? Can you hit it with a large hammer to see if it wakes up? (Always been my preferred method with delicate equipment). Best of luck. When either cable (both are identically wired) is in LPT1 and configured for lap counting or fuel, they work fine. Its not a harness issue. Is that what you meant by a downstream hardware issue? The strange thing is that LPT2 (2nd parallel port) is actually detected in WIndows. UR3 also sees it but its state is always on. ie. the lights on the port are lit up. What we were going to try was to hook up a parallel based printer and try and print from both parallel ports. Had a go at that yet Michael? If you are going to Joes on Saturday night I can bing along a spare pinter for you to try? Regards John No and no unfortunately, I remembered as you drove out the street the other day, I have the second day of a three Saturday DOCS course that I will be at. Still haven't found a parallel printer, so if you do have one, I will try and get it off you for testing purposes. Michael After looking at the help files for UR3, it appears to me that the various ports (LPT1, LPT2, LPT3) are wired differently according to their function. Have a look at the hardware setup in UR3 and you will see what I mean. I must admit that the documentation is very vague and sparse in areas. LPT1 & LPT2 are wired the same but the port addresses are different. LPT3 is wired differently and the port address is different. If I am wasting your time with my suggestions please let me know. I have been out of IT for nearly 6 years, thank god. I am also self taught. Edited February 8, 2010 by Bulsara Quote Gort, Klaatu barada nikto. My poor Krell! After a million years of shining sanity... they could hardly have understood what power was destroying them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangermouse Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 Is the LPT2 provided via a separate card? I note you have tried it on 2 computers did they both have the same card in them? If so what sort of bus is card connected via PCI or ISA? I read on SCI recently the MRBugs (Carlson laptiming guy) was after info to get a PCI bus working could this be the problem? I probably am not offering much help but I had a laptop with a parallel port which printed fine, but when I connected the harness which worked on another computer it didn't work properly - seems like there are different specifications with the parallel port. cheers DM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenglaw Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 (edited) This may be a dumb question - but have you synchronised the port address in UR3.0 with the LPT2: port address of your PC? The default address in UR3.0 could be wrong most times and need to be changed to match that of your PC. Incidentally, which version of UR3.0 are you using? UR3.0ver29a5 still has a lot of bugs whilst 29a6 is the latest and is a little better but is still very much in beta stage as Pierrick was coerced into releasing it before testing was fully completed. The most stable version is the old release 28a5. We have been using it to time our 6 lanes for racing without any problems - using LPT1: and 2 For refuelling, I would suggest the best route to go would be with a webcam - easy to set up using Zone Trigger as it is recognised in UR 3.0. Unfortunately, the software is not free (US$45) but support is good. And you only need a cheap China/Taiwan-made webcam to get it to work. Read this thread on SCI for setup. Edited February 8, 2010 by chenglaw Quote Lim I enjoy racing. Winning or losing is secondary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulsara Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 What has happened with this issue? Has it been resolved, if so, how did you fix it. Quote Gort, Klaatu barada nikto. My poor Krell! After a million years of shining sanity... they could hardly have understood what power was destroying them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gzminiz Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 out of curiosity, does the pits bypass the start finish? if so you can tie them together and use them both for fuel and start finish. Quote The Duke - 2nd Routed Track Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schuey19 Posted February 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 (edited) What has happened with this issue? Has it been resolved, if so, how did you fix it. No, the problem is still there. I haven't done much lately, apart from repair the damage the pet dog did to the track. We let her in the garage during a storm the other week and she managed to get up and rip up scenery, chew up barriers and even damaged part of the track surface by scratching at it. I've sent some details to Pierrick the UR author for him to look at. He's pretty busy, so I'm not pushing the point. out of curiosity, does the pits bypass the start finish? if so you can tie them together and use them both for fuel and start finish. You cannot use the same sensors for two tasks. That is where throblem begins, as the software only takes 5 inputs, so a second harness is required. My pits start and finish before the start line, have a look at the last link in my sig block below. I'm starting to think it may be the PCI card that I've got. Yngwie has a printer for me to use to test, just need to get it from him. Michael Edited February 17, 2010 by schuey19 Quote My Track- Design and Start of Build My Track- Early Construction My Track- Almost There My Track- Finishing Touches (Current Thread) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangermouse Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 I'm starting to think it may be the PCI card that I've got. Yngwie has a printer for me to use to test, just need to get it from him. It may work fine with a printer as the problem may be associated with correctly receiving input. It may be worth a PM or email to MrBugs on SCI or Brent http://slotcars.carlsoncomputers.com/ I know he was working things out with PCI parallel port cards This site has some info on Parallel ports http://www.beyondlogic.org/spp/parallel.htm I think my laptop which didn't work had a ECP port cheers DM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schuey19 Posted February 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 (edited) We tried both LPT1 and 2 in EPP and ECP mode. Might try those two guys you mentioned, thanks for the tip. Edited February 17, 2010 by schuey19 Quote My Track- Design and Start of Build My Track- Early Construction My Track- Almost There My Track- Finishing Touches (Current Thread) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangermouse Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 ok, does the card allow any other modes - it could be EPP and ECP are the problem?? Though I suspect it is something to do with the interface being PCI - and sorry MRBugs and Brent are the same person - badly worded original post. the or should have been / cheers David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schuey19 Posted March 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 So I've tried yet another PC, and... ... still no joy It has to be the PCI card. But then why doesn't it work when wired for the COM port? Seriously, if it keeps going, there will be a post in the For Sale folder! At a loss... Quote My Track- Design and Start of Build My Track- Early Construction My Track- Almost There My Track- Finishing Touches (Current Thread) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schuey19 Posted March 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 Got my new PCI card in the mail, and.... the driver disk is damaged (pitted) and is unreadable. Have emailed the guy for another one. Tried anyway, and the PC that is my garage primary (timer, net and video conversion) will not pick up any parallel or serial ports now. Thought it was the UR version, so rolled back to 3.0.28.5 and problem still there. Also tried 28.4. I do not like the newest version, the layout is way too busy and takes too long to navigate. Will shortly go out and stick the new card into PC number 2 and try that. Quote My Track- Design and Start of Build My Track- Early Construction My Track- Almost There My Track- Finishing Touches (Current Thread) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yngwie Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 If there is a model number on the card you should be able to get drivers from the net! Regards John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulsara Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 PC's piss me off. But that being said I love the challenge of sorting out the problem from a non specialist's point of view. Tradesmen have a way of sorting out problems from a simpler way of thinking. Quote Gort, Klaatu barada nikto. My poor Krell! After a million years of shining sanity... they could hardly have understood what power was destroying them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schuey19 Posted April 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 So, I thought I might update on something that happened today. As has been documented in this thread and a few othrs, I was having issues with getting more than 6 inputs on UR3.0, as you could only have 5 per parallel port, and I had no luck with a second LPT port (tried two different PCI cards), no joy with COM1 either. A long while back I had the first iteration of my pit refuel sensors connected to pins 13, 14 and 15 on LPT1. Only 13 and 15 would work, as the LPT settings wouldn't allow 14, and if you changed it to allow 14, you lost the others. On to today... Earlier in the week I purchased a webcam from ebay to use as the refuel trigger. Being a bit unsure if it would be here by next Friday for a race meet, I got another one while in Harvey Norman this morning. Was setting it upand thinking of how to blend it in as part of the scenery. While it was installing I decided to have a quick play with a mod I made the other day. I modded my PC harness to again include 6 inputs to LPT1, by way of a jumper as below. I connected it to the refuel sensors, gave it a run, and everything worked... :clap: I have no idea why, but I don't care. At this point in time, I have working pit sensors!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm thinking that the newer revisions of UR3.0 can support the extra inputs, but the hardware set up section hasn't been reworded? That sounds feasable to me, but like I said, don't really care, becasuse it works!!!! Thought of taknig the cam back, but might keep it, as we might want to use it for live feeds, was on sale anyway. Quote My Track- Design and Start of Build My Track- Early Construction My Track- Almost There My Track- Finishing Touches (Current Thread) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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